Re: gtk icewm?

[Soren Harward <soren shell cinternet net>]

Wouldn't this discussion be more appropriate for gnome-gui-list?  I have
no opposition to the topic--in fact, I see it as an essential point that
has to get hashed out to make gnome viable--I just question its placement.

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On Mon, 18 May 1998 nuke@bayside.net wrote:

> On Mon, 18 May 1998, robert havoc pennington wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Mon, 18 May 1998, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> > > 
> > > > when comparing menu popup speeds to say, gtk.. but IMO icewm is
> > > > currently too win95ish for Gnome.
> > > 
> > > I believe that arguing on the basis of how similar something is to
> > > Windows 95 is wrong.  We should be basing our arguments on the
> > > capabilities and the benefits.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes! This is an excellent point. Just because the overall Windows OS is
> > kind of yucky doesn't mean we can't steal shamelessly from their
> > highly-paid UI researchers. We should copy Windows, Mac, NeXT, X, and
> > everything else we can think of to create a nice, familiar synthesis with
> > the best of each. In a real sense Different == Bad when it comes to look
> > and feel.
> > 
> > That said, I would love to see icewm borrow a few drawing routines from
> > Gtk for purely cosmetic reasons; it'd be neat if the task bar buttons
> > looked like Gtk buttons, and the "start" menu looked like a Gtk menu. I
> > don't know if actually using Gtk would be the fastest or best way to
> > achieve this or not. I guess I'd vote against using Gtk since icewm is
> > already fast, small, and stable - it ain't broke, don't fix. Using Gtk
> > would enable themes and so on but if you want that there's always E.
> 
> in more words, this is exactly what i said. the gnome desktop might be
> better off having a gtk-like feel.
> 
> > I think the icewm author is an excellent UI designer; it's clean,
> > consistent, attractive, fast, easy, and almost bug-free. It has all the
> > features you need and no more, and a professional polish I haven't seen in
> > any other wm except olvwm (though I haven't tried mwm/CDE). It made me
> > very happy when he said he'd Gnomify. We should copy icewm, not screw it
> > up.
> 
> *high-five*