Re: gtk icewm?

[<nuke bayside net>]

On Mon, 18 May 1998, robert havoc pennington wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 18 May 1998, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> > 
> > > when comparing menu popup speeds to say, gtk.. but IMO icewm is
> > > currently too win95ish for Gnome.
> > 
> > I believe that arguing on the basis of how similar something is to
> > Windows 95 is wrong.  We should be basing our arguments on the
> > capabilities and the benefits.
> > 
> 
> Yes! This is an excellent point. Just because the overall Windows OS is
> kind of yucky doesn't mean we can't steal shamelessly from their
> highly-paid UI researchers. We should copy Windows, Mac, NeXT, X, and
> everything else we can think of to create a nice, familiar synthesis with
> the best of each. In a real sense Different == Bad when it comes to look
> and feel.
> 
> That said, I would love to see icewm borrow a few drawing routines from
> Gtk for purely cosmetic reasons; it'd be neat if the task bar buttons
> looked like Gtk buttons, and the "start" menu looked like a Gtk menu. I
> don't know if actually using Gtk would be the fastest or best way to
> achieve this or not. I guess I'd vote against using Gtk since icewm is
> already fast, small, and stable - it ain't broke, don't fix. Using Gtk
> would enable themes and so on but if you want that there's always E.

in more words, this is exactly what i said. the gnome desktop might be
better off having a gtk-like feel.

> I think the icewm author is an excellent UI designer; it's clean,
> consistent, attractive, fast, easy, and almost bug-free. It has all the
> features you need and no more, and a professional polish I haven't seen in
> any other wm except olvwm (though I haven't tried mwm/CDE). It made me
> very happy when he said he'd Gnomify. We should copy icewm, not screw it
> up.

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