Re: Scroll bars.

[Aaron <aaron leary huron net>]

Mmmm.. that'd be an incredible idea, allowing you to 'middle click' in
file dialogs, etc, switch to the 'hand cursor', and scroll the window up
and down.  You wouldn't have to worry about being accurate, it'd be
convenient and fast, and you'd have the option of never touching those
scroll bars.

Kinda like 'middle clicking' on images in the gimp and scrolling them
around.

--aaron

On 26 Jan 1998 ketil@ii.uib.no wrote:

> Gregory Maxwell <gmax@nightshade.z.ml.org> writes:
> 
> > Please, dont doom yet another interface with the same old stupid
> > scrollbars used in almost ever GUI out there.
> 
> Especially not the Windows type which jumps back if you stray with the
> mouse.  I hate that!
> 
> > They are inneficent and inconvient!
> 
> When you mention it, yes, I agree they could be better.
> 
> > Normally scroll bars are placed on the right side, with little up and down
> > arrows on the top and bottom...
> 
> > This is silly.. The mouse is more often on the left (it's where the menus
> > are and where text starts).. Also, going down then back up requires alot
> > of mouse movement..
> 
> Hmm..you could let the user configure this, couldn't you?
> 
> > It would be MUCH more sane to place them on the left and put the up and
> > down (and perhaps a page up and down) button all togeather on the top or
> > bottom..
> 
> And this.  However, I observe that:
> 
> *   scrolling up and down by dragging the little marker is painful if
> there's a lot of area to scroll (i.e. the directory listing contains
> lots of files)  Precision is lost.
> *   scolling with line-up or line-down buttons is to cumbersome, I never 
> use it.
> *   scrolling with page-up and page-down by clickin in the scrollbar,
> but outside of the marker causes me to miss the point I was at, unless
> there's some visible anchor, and besides, it doesn't seem like an
> intuitive way to do it.  (Inconsistent amount of scrolling)
> *   using the keyboard (arrows, pageUp/Dn) is much more convenient and
> faster in most cases.
> 
> One possible addition would be for the user to grab the text pane with
> the mouse and scroll it directly.
> 
> If I could do that, and have the keyboard work, I could easily do
> without scrollbars entirely (perhaps except for showing the extent of
> the pane, perhaps a thermometer-like widget would suffice?   As a
> themeability option?  [XEmacs has a neat, slim and discreet scrollbar -
> it may look different with other configs than mine, though.]).
> 
> > I've tried chatting with someone with KDE a long time back... But he was
> > close minded.. Saying that it was too diffent from other GUIs
> 
> Well, there's the main difference I perceive between KDE and Gnome.  KDE 
> wants a well known feel to a smooth desktop, Gnome wants to extend and
> explore GUI possibilities.  Don't flame me, it's just an opinion.
> 
> ~kzm
> -- 
> If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
> 
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