Re: Hrm. Now I know why this list is dead

[Jonas Luster <jonas nethammer qad org>]

[Quoting smooge@redhat.com (Steve Smoogen)]:

(excuse bad english)

> Ok I can see where you are coming from.  The biggest problem with
> competition is Not Invented Here Syndrome. The only way to get past that
> is through some level of co-operation.

Cooperation is always a good thing. But looking at KDE "vs." Gnome,
there's an even worse thing than just some flames from Miguel (whose
speeches I've enjoyed and loved, Miguel is certainly one of the more
interesting persons in OSS-movement) - it's the placement of Gnome/KDE 
that is done by not only Media but Distributions and Persons.

Looking at almost every german computer magazine, reading comments
from the SuSE-Team or using SuSE as his distribution, one may get the
impression, there's only _one_ "Linux Desktop" (they even negate the
fact that both products run on a variety of platforms): KDE.

Me, personally, I don't like KDE much - not because of some particular 
missing feature or of some existing ones but because it did not "look" 
okay to me. I'm using Gnome, doing my GUIs in GTK+ and am trying to
contribute to the community somewhat in doing speeches on Gnome and
writing articles on it.
But - it's hard to break thru' this mist of "Hype" and it's placement
as the one-true-desktop that surrounds KDE. Looking at the audiences
of my speeches, I somewhat can understand Miguel - full of hype and
euphoria for KDE most of them don't even take me serious if I do start 
to explain Gnome and it's mechanisms to them.

I'm pretty new to Gnome and GTK, my first version was 0.20, but one
thing I've ben experiencing with the Gnome/GTK folks is their
friendliness (yes, timj, I still owe you 50 bucks :), their help and
their readyness to contribute to the desktop they are using. One might 
call Miguel a fanatic, I think it's more than that, it's in some way
the same proudness a father must feel about his child growing up well, 
beingon its way to perfection one more step every day (regardless
he'll never reach this point fully :).

Just a look on the KDE Pages - they do remind me of commercial pages a 
bit - full of hoorays and whistles and a look on the Gnome Pages,
being somewhat more "friendly and cooperative".

To reverse the question: What in the last months has the KDE TEam done 
towards cooperation? Have they thought on a way to unify
session-management, drag'n'drop, everything else? Is there a list on
the KDE side, called kde-gnome?

jonas