Re: GTP wiki

[Clytie Siddall <clytie riverland net au>]

Thanks for this (as always ;) ) helpful reply, Danilo. :)

On 18/02/2006, at 11:08 PM, Danilo Åegan wrote:
> Today at 8:09, Clytie Siddall wrote:
>
> > Translating pages on the wiki is otherwise relatively
> > straightforward, but I would like to translate pages like "How to
> > Join the GTP", which currently are still http files on gnome.org.
>
> You are welcome to first put the English variant at something like
>
>   http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/JoiningUs

Great. I didn't know if we were ready to try moving the http pages yet.

I think I have time for that. :)
> :)  Basically, reproduce most of the content on developer.gnome.org,
> but also improve wording and add additional info if you wish.  For
> instance, join.html mentions obsolete translate-gnome guide, links to
> older page about starting a new team (better info is in the Wiki now),
> and you can also fix that by moving this page to a Wiki.

OK, will do my best. :)
> (once Wiki is good enough, I'll point developer.gnome.org pages to it)

One question about wiki pages: how to you snag search engines, as one  
does in html pages by using tags in the header? I want to attract new  
translators. ;)
> > I'd be happy to translate them as wiki pages. Would that be OK? That
> > way, in the translated GTP page, I can point users from my language
> > group to translated pages as they are created on the wiki, or to the
> > existing English pages if the translation has not been created.
>
> Sure, I don't know if there is an agreed-upon naming scheme for
> translations in the Wiki, though.  Perhaps adding "Vi" as you did for
> Vietnamese is enough. :)

I started out with the Gnome-Women page on LiveGnome.org, and that  
was the scheme they used. I don't know if it's standard.
> Though, we might want to add a "top-bar" listing all translations
> (like Debian and GNU pages have, though they also use content
> negotiation).  Feel free to do so on TranslationProject pages.

Thanks, I will. Having it down the bottom isn't as useful. People  
aren't likely to plough through a whole page of a foreign language  
before noticing one word in their language at the bottom, unless  
they're expecting it to be there. A top bar is good.

Also, we can add a language-content header (is this what you mean by  
content negotiation):

##language:vi

at the top of the page. I had forgotten to do that on the pages I've  
done, so I'll add those today.

Is there a "language bar" I could reproduce in the wiki? One in the  
same kind of wiki, or in another wiki? The formatting is limited,  
compared to html/css.
> > Otherwise, editing GTP webpages and keeping them up to date would
> > require translators to have FTP access to gnome.org.
>
> Not really (it's all in CVS ;),

Ah, I should have thought of that. ;)

> but we don't want everybody to change
> stuff there,

Fair enough.

> because:
>  - teams.html must be kept up by
>      http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/SpokesPersons
>    so we know who is in charge, and have their proper contact (if
>    everybody goes wild changing their info, we'd easily lose track)
>  - everything else is ok to have in the Wiki instead, so lets put it
>    there :)

Absolutely. I'll get on with that. :)

It's great to be able to help.

from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhÃm  
Viát hÃa phán mám tá do)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN