Re: needed feature

["Ben FrantzDale" <frantb rpi edu>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Cole Petersburg <petersburg@oneota.net>
To: Ben FrantzDale <frantb@rpi.edu>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: needed feature


> >Some of this depends on your windowmanager. With enlightenment the
default
> >iconify command is ctrl+alt+i and in gnome apps I believe ctrl+q closes
> >(though you can set it up through your WM to be alt+F4 or whatever else
you
> >want.)
>
> Ah thanks, I can use that. And what about mapping programs onto ctrl-alt
> combinations?

Depends on your WM. With Enlightenment if you have the old e-conf tool it's
easy to set up. You can also grab the more recent keybindings tool that
Mandrake worked on(mandrake.net).  You can set all sorts of keybord
combinations to do just about anything with E including starting other
programs.

> With that I just may be able to use Linux again.

Oh good.

> And the desktop, is there no way to get to that?

I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean using the keybord to change focus to
the desktop then it depends on your WM again. I'm not sure quite how you'd
do that with Enlightnement (though you can't really do it with Windows
anyway.)

> Oh and how does Gnome work? If there's the X server beneath and the WM
> above, Gnome is widgets and programs?
> ...

Gnome is a set of libraries, etc. that make for a desktop envirnment and
that allow programers to more easily code programs that will fit nicely into
that envirnment.

> >
> >For the large part, yes. I agree, though, that gnome should be working
> >harder to be keyboard navigable like Windows (and KDE I think) is. Most
> >gnome apps do have an underlined letter on each menu item for alt+letter
to
> >access the menu but you are right, a Windows level of keyboard
navigability
> >is needed and not there yet.
> >
> >--Ben
>
> There's something about using arrow keys that makes more sense than
> memorizing key combinations. It's like a computer game.

Hehe.. That's one way to think about it I guess... I think the long and
short of it is that better keybord navigation is coming. But again, I agree
that more needs to be done.

--Ben

>
>
>
> At 03:47 AM 5/13/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Cole Petersburg <petersburg@oneota.net>
> >To: <gnome-gui-list@gnome.org>
> >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:46 PM
> >Subject: needed feature
> >
> >
> >> (I'm new to this list so I don't know if these questions have been
raised
> >> before)
> >>
> >> I don't use Linux regularly for one reason: I can't access menus with
the
> >> alt button. It may sound trivial, but it's most of what I do with
Windows.
> >> At home running four Netscape windows and Eudora and ftp, I can use a
> >> button to reach the desktop. At work I can do html, save, and alt-tab
to
> >> the browser. (Well I probably could manage that one with Gnome.) I can
hit
> >> alt, left, down down down down down Enter to close something. I can run
> >> most things from the keyboard. Gnome has alt-tab, but I want more! Even
if
> >> I were using an xterm to run programs with my keyboard, I couldn't
close
> >it
> >> or open another one without the mouse. I couldn't minimize it with
keys. I
> >> thought the great thing about using Linux is that you don't have to
point
> >> and click!
> >
>
> >
> >> Is this a feature I just haven't found yet? Would this require a
utility?
> >> Does such a utility exist? Or would this be a widget thing?
> >> I know that Photoshop for Windows doesn't allow accessing menus with
the
> >> alt key, so is this up to the developer of each program? The terminal
and
> >> Gnotepad+, at least, are under the control of the Gnome developers.
> >>
> >> Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I think I remember that
with
> >> Gnome, an app's window doesn't go into the next desktop section, when
it
> >> does under fvwm. I think KDE also cuts off boxes... Without setting my
> >> display at 1600x1200, windows frequently go below the bottom of the
page
> >> and are hard to resize.
> >
> >This is a window manager/X issue.
> >
> >> Are these things being worked on?
> >
>
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