On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 06:23 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Shaun McCance <shaunm gnome org> wrote: > > >> > >> - should use the same patterns as other GNOME 3 applications > > > > Yelp is not an application. Users certainly don't see it as one. > > It's already pretty screwed up by the way GNOME Shell treats it > > as one. > > You treat it as an application yourself: > - you give it a desktop file > - it shows up in the application list > - it uses a very classic application window pattern with menubar, > toolbar, content - A window that doesn't have an associated desktop file looks awful in GNOME Shell. - It didn't used to be in the application list. It used to be under System on GNOME 2. *I* didn't put it in the application list. - Up until recently, that was the only design paradigm we had that could present the stuff Yelp presents. It's not that way in the mockup I had. I've found it, so I attached it. (mtime says May. Didn't realize it was that old.) > If you don't want an application, don't write one - make it a library > that applications link against to present their help. You don't need > to play games with gtk_window_present() then, either... Not a file gets installed on GNOME without you noticing. I'm sure you know that library already exists. > You won't have a place to present the standalone user guide any more, > though. We need an application for that. > > Can we at agree that yelp is used in two very different modes ? The > one is a standalone documentation viewer, the other is to present > application help. We probably disagree on whether it is ok to ditch > the second mode and always be a separate application. I don't think the desktop help and application help are all that different. In either case, Yelp is designed to let you get information quickly without blocking what you're doing. -- Shaun
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