Re: contribution to GTG project and GOPW

[Lionel Dricot <ploum ploum net>]

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Hi Radina,

I think that everything looks great and it looks like a great project.

Unfortunately, I don't think I will have the time to mentor that as I
will already have SoC students.

But seeing your initiatives and your motivation, there's no doubt you
will be an awesome work.

Lionel

Le 26/03/12 13:55, Radina Matic a écrit :
> Hi Tiffany, that's great news...!!!
> 
> I am not familiar with Gitorious but if you think that it is
> better, I have no issues with using it as long as it is OK with the
> GTG Developer team. Would it be easy to merge/transfer the docs
> once they are complete with the rest of GTG project on Launchpad?
> 
> Bertrand, Lionel, Izidor, what do you say?
> 
> Cheers, Radina
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 01:17, Tiffany Antopolski 
> <tiffany antopolski gmail com
> <mailto:tiffany antopolski gmail com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Radina,
> 
> I am a member of the Gnome Documentation Team and willing to
> mentor GWOP this year.  I had a quick glance at your outline and it
> seems to me you are on the right track.
> 
> Your plan of an index.page and stub pages for the topics would be 
> great for your application.  For further resources see 
> https://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Tasks/ApplicationHelp 
> (the section on the left titled Resources of course :-)), as well
> as https://live.gnome.org/gtg/documentation.
> 
> Are you familiar with https://gitorious.org/?  I ask because I see 
> that gtg is not using git.gnome.org <http://git.gnome.org> or 
> bugzilla.gnome.org <http://bugzilla.gnome.org> for the workflow... 
> therefore I think it would be good for now to track your project 
> using gitorious.
> 
> At the moment I am not familiar with how the workflow for this 
> project would work using Launchpad and bzr, so the I think
> gitorious would be the easiest until the docs are complete.
> 
> Izidor, Lionel, and Bertrand, would this work for you?
> 
> 
> 
> 2012/3/25 Radina Matic <radina matic gmail com 
> <mailto:radina matic gmail com>>
> 
> Seems that my previous message was held for moderation because of
> the attachment size so I am forwarding the text only version...
> 
> Regards, Radina
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Radina Matic*
> <radina matic gmail com <mailto:radina matic gmail com>> Date: Sun,
> Mar 25, 2012 at 22:41 Subject: Re: contribution to GTG project and
> GOPW To: gnome-doc-list gnome org
> <mailto:gnome-doc-list gnome org> Cc: Marina Zhurakhinskaya
> <marinaz redhat com <mailto:marinaz redhat com>>, Izidor Matušov 
> <izidor matusov gmail com <mailto:izidor matusov gmail com>>, 
> Lionel Dricot <ploum ploum net <mailto:ploum ploum net>>, Bertrand
> Rousseau <bertrand rousseau gmail com 
> <mailto:bertrand rousseau gmail com>>, women-outreach gnome org 
> <mailto:women-outreach gnome org>, Luca Invernizzi 
> <invernizzi l gmail com <mailto:invernizzi l gmail com>>
> 
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> My name is Radina and I have been collaborating with the Getting 
> Things GNOME! project  with the desire to apply for 2012 GNOME 
> Outreach Program for Women internship. Marina Zhurakhinskaya 
> suggested (please read the conversation bellow for all the details)
> that given that I am most interested in working on the GTG User
> Documentation, it would be best to count on someone from the GNOME
> Documentation team as a co-mentor for the GOPW program.
> 
> I have already prepared the Topic Outline for the GTG User 
> Documentation (see the attached document) and I am waiting for more
> feedback from the developer group while learning Mallard. That part
> is precisely why would I need a co-mentor from someone from your
> group. I would love to hear your input regarding the attached topic
> outline and, if possible, some recommended resources for working
> with Mallard (a part from Project Mallard 
> <http://projectmallard.org/index.html> page that I am already 
> using). My plan would be to have at least the the guide index.page
> and the topic pages of the first level ready before I submit my
> application.
> 
> During the internship I would first concentrate on producing a 
> quality User Documentation for Getting Things GNOME, but once that
> task is done, I would love to continue to work on documenting
> other GNOME applications whose user docs need rewriting, editing
> or translating to Mallard format.
> 
> Looking forward to hearing from you... :)
> 
> Regards, Radina Matic
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 08:54, Radina Matic <radina matic gmail com
> <mailto:radina matic gmail com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Marina,
> 
> Thank you for your email and the information, it will sure help us
> all.
> 
> I agree that considering what I would mostly like to do, that being
> the documentation for GTG, it will probably be best to have some
> kind of joint Docs & GTG mentorship where I could count on
> subject-matter expertise from various GTG developers, together with
> somebody from the Documentation team for writing, editing &
> technical questions regarding Mallard. I don't really care which
> one of them is going to be the official mentor, they all seem
> pretty cool to me... :)
> 
> Even though I would like to concentrate on GTG documentation as my
> main project, if time allows it I would not mind taking additional
> documentation tasks after it. I will forward our conversation to
> the mentors of the documentation team to get their input.
> 
> Thanks again for your help!
> 
> Regards, Radina
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 06:21, Marina Zhurakhinskaya 
> <marinaz redhat com <mailto:marinaz redhat com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Radina!
> 
> Thank you for your interest in GNOME and OPW! It would be great to
> have you apply for the program!
> 
> It's expected that an intern would collaborate with multiple
> community members anyway, so it doesn't matter if you have one or
> two mentors. However, you can definitely have official co-mentors
> if people are most comfortable with that arrangement. It's expected
> that a mentor would answer the intern's questions within a day or
> so, and is available to discuss things with the intern on IRC at
> least couple times a week. However, in some cases the mentor can
> just direct you to another community member who might be most
> knowledgeable for helping you with your task or be more available.
> 
> If you are interested in applying to work on documentation, you
> should also talk to the documentation team folks, and perhaps you
> can consider working on documenting other projects, in addition to
> GTG, during your internship. You can find out who they are on the 
> Mentors page. As you can see there are many other applications that
> need documentation too: 
> https://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Tasks/ApplicationHelp
> 
> So perhaps, it would work out best if you have one mentor from GTG
> as the main project whose documentation you would focus on and
> another mentor from the documentation team.
> 
> You might also like to look at the GNOME marketing project. Though
> it sounds like you would be most interested in applying to work on
> documentation, you can see if there are some ways you would like to
> help out with GNOME marketing as you go along.
> 
> Izidor, Lionel, Bertrand, you are definitely welcome to add
> yourself as mentors for GTG on 
> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove/Mentors and let me know if you
> have any questions about the outreach program.
> 
> Radina, you to please feel free to let me know if you have any
> additional questions about the program!
> 
> Thanks! Marina
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Radina Matic"
> <radina matic gmail com <mailto:radina matic gmail com>> To:
> women-outreach gnome org <mailto:women-outreach gnome org> Cc:
> "Izidor Matušov" <izidor matusov gmail com 
> <mailto:izidor matusov gmail com>>, "Lionel Dricot" 
> <ploum ploum net <mailto:ploum ploum net>>, "Bertrand Rousseau"
> <bertrand rousseau gmail com <mailto:bertrand rousseau gmail com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 11:16:42 PM Subject: contribution to
> GTG project and GOPW
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Recently I have been collaborating with the Getting Things GNOME
> project by translating the GUI into Spanish, Italian and Catalan,
> and by suggesting some more general GUI usability improvements. I
> like the project very much and I want to contribute further so I 
> was thinking of applying for the 2012 GNOME Outreach Program for
> Women internships with a User Documentation writing project and
> some community management for Getting Things GNOME.
> 
> However, even though he is listed as a mentor for the GTG project ,
> Luca Invernizzi seems to be unavailable at present, and I have been
> in contact with the rest of developers to see if anybody is
> interested in becoming a GOPW mentor for my collaboration with the
> GTG. They all seem enthusiastic about my present contributions and 
> possible future collaboration, but not being very familiar with the
> GOPW program, they are unsure about the specific mentoring duties
> and, more importantly, time commitment that the mentoring would
> entail. I must admit I am curious about it myself - I know that
> interns commit to a 40 hours working week during which they are 
> required to be available on the IRC channel, but how often is a
> mentor required to "check" on them? Daily? Once a week? Could the
> mentoring responsibilities be shared by more than one developer?
> That might help considering their busy schedules...
> 
> It would be great if you could reply to all of us with some more
> details regarding the above questions. I am very interested in
> continuing my collaboration with the GTG project while
> participating in GNOME Outreach Program for Women this year, and I
> will be looking forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Best regards, Radina Matic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2012/3/23 Bertrand Rousseau < bertrand rousseau gmail com 
> <mailto:bertrand rousseau gmail com> >
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This would a terrific project! Indeed GTG is clearly
> in need of better
>> documentation.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, as I already told you. I don't think I
> could mentor
>> more than one person at a time this year. Even if
> you're "low
>> maintenance", that would not be a responsible thing to
> do for me...
>> Since I hope to get a GSoC student this year, I'm
> afraid I cannot
>> propose myself.
>> 
>> As for the "community manager" position, I could be
> your more
>> technical proxy if you want.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Bertrand
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Radina Matic <
> didinomade gmail com <mailto:didinomade gmail com> > wrote:
>>> Hi Lionel,
>>> 
>>> According to the info on GOPW page interns can
> choose tasks from 4 areas:
>>> Marketing, Coding, Web/Graphic Design and
> Documentation/Translation, so yes,
>>> non-programming tasks are allowed.
>>> 
>>> As far for who is actually responsible for the
> program, a part from the
>>> email address women-outreach gnome org
> <mailto:women-outreach gnome org> they do not offer much more
>>> information. I was thinking of contacting them
> anyway, so if one of you is
>>> willing to take on the mentorship, I could ask more
> details about what
>>> exactly would it entail...
>>> 
>>> It would be great to collaborate with someone for
> community management,
>>> specially if that someone is more of a programming
> background than me, which
>>> won't be difficult at all... ;)
>>> 
>>> Regards, Radina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2012/3/22 Lionel Dricot < ploum ploum net
> <mailto:ploum ploum net> >
>>>> 
> Hi Radina,
> 
> I'm not familiar with the GOPW. Are non-programming
>> tasks allowed? If
> yes, then you would be very welcome. Who is
>> responsible for GOPW? Are
> you sure that writing doc is enough to be accepted?
> 
> We have another candidate as the community manager
>> but I don't see why
> we can't have two. The tasks would be to maintain
>> the blog and the G+
> page.
> 
> Lionel
> 
> 
> Le 22/03/12 08:56, Radina Matic a écrit :
>>>> 
>> Hello everybody,
> 
>> Recently I have been collaborating with the GTG project by 
>> translating the GUI into Spanish, Italian and Catalan but I
>> wanted to contribute more and I was thinking of applying for the
>> GNOME Outreach Program for Women internships < 
>> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWomen/OutreachProgram2012 > with a 
>> /*User Documentation*/ writing project for Getting Things GNOME.
>>>> 
>> However, even though he is listed as a mentor for the GTG
>> project < https://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove/Mentors >, Luca
>> Invernizzi seems
>>>> 
>> to be unavailable at the moment, and Bertrand Rousseau suggested 
>> that I contact all the developers to see if anybody is
>> interested in becoming a GOPW mentor for my collaboration with
>> the GTG project.
> 
>> I like the fact that GTG is still very much a work-in-progress, 
>> and since there is no Help file or User Documentation yet, apart 
>> from the lonely wiki page, I feel I can really make a
>> contribution by creating some new content (docs or tutorials) 
>> instead of just editing somebody else's writing :) I briefly 
>> checked the Project Mallard pages and I suppose it will not be
>> an unsurmountable venture since I am familiar with HTML. I will
>> be sending you the detailed outline of help topics in a couple
>> of days, but in short my plan would be to start from the
>> existing sample "Learn to..." tasks that come with the GTG, use
>> them to create the first topics for the new Mallard docs and
>> expand the Help from there. Ideally major topics could have
>> tutorials following the user scenarios somebody mentioned on the
>> mailing list recently, or video tutorials and screencast (I will
>> have to figure out what to use for screencasting on Linux instead
>> of Camtasia that I used on Windows).
> 
>> One advance warning: I am not a coder, just fairly proficient in 
>> HTML, CSS and WordPress management. Sometimes I even manage to 
>> change an already existing Javascript line (or two) without it 
>> crashing on me afterwards, but I never wrote anything from
>> scratch. I even muddled a bit with Flash and Actionscript, but
>> that was a while ago. Now that I think of it, the first tutorial
>> I ever wrote was about Flash projectors and CD burning, I think
>> it can still be found somewhere on the web... :P
> 
>> I also saw that you were looking for the community manager and
>> if that "position" can be filled by somebody without the actual 
>> coding knowledge, it could be a part of my tasks as an intern.
>> And it will be easier to give more international exposure to GTG
>> as I could write both the docs and the blog in English, Spanish
>> and Italian (and Catalan if time allows it).
> 
>> I know that the deadline for the GOPW applications is very soon
>> but at the moment I am pretty available and the only thing I will
>> be doing until September are a couple of online courses at the
>> UC Berkeley Extension where I plan to finish the Professional 
>> Certificate Program in Technical Communication this year. So a
>> part from that, I am free as a bird and could easily take on
>> another "small" contribution required before the deadline for the
>> GOPW and the 40 hours per week during the May-August internship
>> period. Here you can find all the info about the GOPW internship 
>> < https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWomen/OutreachProgram2012 > and
>> the information for prospective mentors <
>> https://live.gnome.org/InfoForMentors >. I know that you guys
>> are
>>>> 
>> all pretty busy with your own projects but I really hope there
>> is somebody with enough time to take on the mentorship - I am
>> very autonomous and extremely low maintenance, scout's honor ;)
> 
>> That's it for now. I am looking forward to hearing from you...
> 
>> Regards, Radina
> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Bertrand Rousseau
> 
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