Hi Radina,
I am a member of the Gnome Documentation Team and willing to mentor GWOP this year. I had a quick glance at your outline and it seems to me you are on the right track.
Your plan of an index.page and stub pages for the topics would be great for your application. For further resources see https://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Tasks/ApplicationHelp (the section on the left titled Resources of course :-)), as well as https://live.gnome.org/gtg/documentation.
Are you familiar with https://gitorious.org/? I ask because I see that gtg is not using git.gnome.org or bugzilla.gnome.org for the workflow... therefore I think it would be good for now to track your project using gitorious.
At the moment I am not familiar with how the workflow for this project would work using Launchpad and bzr, so the I think gitorious would be the easiest until the docs are complete.
Izidor, Lionel, and Bertrand, would this work for you?
2012/3/25 Radina Matic <radina matic gmail com>Seems that my previous message was held for moderation because of the attachment size so I am forwarding the text only version...
Regards,
Radina---------- Forwarded message ----------I have already prepared the Topic Outline for the GTG User Documentation (see the attached document) and I am waiting for more feedback from the developer group while learning Mallard. That part is precisely why would I need a co-mentor from someone from your group. I would love to hear your input regarding the attached topic outline and, if possible, some recommended resources for working with Mallard (a part from Project Mallard page that I am already using). My plan would be to have at least the the guide index.page and the topic pages of the first level ready before I submit my application.
From: Radina Matic <radina matic gmail com>
Date: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 22:41
Subject: Re: contribution to GTG project and GOPW
To: gnome-doc-list gnome org
Cc: Marina Zhurakhinskaya <marinaz redhat com>, Izidor Matušov <izidor matusov gmail com>, Lionel Dricot <ploum ploum net>, Bertrand Rousseau <bertrand rousseau gmail com>, women-outreach gnome org, Luca Invernizzi <invernizzi l gmail com>
Hello everybody,
My name is Radina and I have been collaborating with the Getting Things GNOME! project with the desire to apply for 2012 GNOME Outreach Program for Women internship. Marina Zhurakhinskaya suggested (please read the conversation bellow for all the details) that given that I am most interested in working on the GTG User Documentation, it would be best to count on someone from the GNOME Documentation team as a co-mentor for the GOPW program.
User Documentation for Getting Things GNOME, but once that task is done, I would love to continue to work on documenting other GNOME applications whose user docs need rewriting, editing or translating to Mallard format.
During the internship I would first concentrate on producing a quality
Looking forward to hearing from you... :)
Regards,
Radina Matic
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 08:54, Radina Matic <radina matic gmail com> wrote:Hi Marina,
Thank you for your email and the information, it will sure help us all.
I agree that considering what I would mostly like to do, that being the documentation for GTG, it will probably be best to have some kind of joint Docs & GTG mentorship where I could count on subject-matter expertise from various GTG developers, together with somebody from the Documentation team for writing, editing & technical questions regarding Mallard. I don't really care which one of them is going to be the official mentor, they all seem pretty cool to me... :)
Even though I would like to concentrate on GTG documentation as my main project, if time allows it I would not mind taking additional documentation tasks after it. I will forward our conversation to the mentors of the documentation team to get their input.
Thanks again for your help!
Regards,
Radina
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 06:21, Marina Zhurakhinskaya <marinaz redhat com> wrote:
Hi Radina!
Thank you for your interest in GNOME and OPW! It would be great to have you apply for the program!
It's expected that an intern would collaborate with multiple community members anyway, so it doesn't matter if you have one or two mentors. However, you can definitely have official co-mentors if people are most comfortable with that arrangement. It's expected that a mentor would answer the intern's questions within a day or so, and is available to discuss things with the intern on IRC at least couple times a week. However, in some cases the mentor can just direct you to another community member who might be most knowledgeable for helping you with your task or be more available.
If you are interested in applying to work on documentation, you should also talk to the documentation team folks, and perhaps you can consider working on documenting other projects, in addition to GTG, during your internship. You can find out who they are on the Mentors page. As you can see there are many other applications that need documentation too: https://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Tasks/ApplicationHelp
So perhaps, it would work out best if you have one mentor from GTG as the main project whose documentation you would focus on and another mentor from the documentation team.
You might also like to look at the GNOME marketing project. Though it sounds like you would be most interested in applying to work on documentation, you can see if there are some ways you would like to help out with GNOME marketing as you go along.
Izidor, Lionel, Bertrand, you are definitely welcome to add yourself as mentors for GTG on https://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove/Mentors and let me know if you have any questions about the outreach program.
Radina, you to please feel free to let me know if you have any additional questions about the program!
Thanks!
Marina
However, even though he is listed as a mentor for the GTG project , Luca Invernizzi seems to be unavailable at present, and I have been in contact with the rest of developers to see if anybody is interested in becoming a GOPW mentor for my collaboration with the GTG. They all seem enthusiastic about my present contributions and possible future collaboration, but not being very familiar with the GOPW program, they are unsure about the specific mentoring duties and, more importantly, time commitment that the mentoring would entail. I must admit I am curious about it myself - I know that interns commit to a 40 hours working week during which they are required to be available on the IRC channel, but how often is a mentor required to "check" on them? Daily? Once a week? Could the mentoring responsibilities be shared by more than one developer? That might help considering their busy schedules...
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From: "Radina Matic" <radina matic gmail com>
To: women-outreach gnome org
Cc: "Izidor Matušov" <izidor matusov gmail com>, "Lionel Dricot" <ploum ploum net>, "Bertrand Rousseau" <bertrand rousseau gmail com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 11:16:42 PM
Subject: contribution to GTG project and GOPW
Hi,
Recently I have been collaborating with the Getting Things GNOME project by translating the GUI into Spanish, Italian and Catalan, and by suggesting some more general GUI usability improvements. I like the project very much and I want to contribute further so I was thinking of applying for the 2012 GNOME Outreach Program for Women internships with a User Documentation writing project and some community management for Getting Things GNOME.
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It would be great if you could reply to all of us with some more details regarding the above questions. I am very interested in continuing my collaboration with the GTG project while participating in GNOME Outreach Program for Women this year, and I will be looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Radina Matic
2012/3/23 Bertrand Rousseau < bertrand rousseau gmail com >
>
> Hi,
>
> This would a terrific project! Indeed GTG is clearly in need of better
> documentation.
>
> Unfortunately, as I already told you. I don't think I could mentor
> more than one person at a time this year. Even if you're "low
> maintenance", that would not be a responsible thing to do for me...
> Since I hope to get a GSoC student this year, I'm afraid I cannot
> propose myself.
>
> As for the "community manager" position, I could be your more
> technical proxy if you want.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bertrand
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Radina Matic < didinomade gmail com > wrote:
> > Hi Lionel,
> >
> > According to the info on GOPW page interns can choose tasks from 4 areas:
> > Marketing, Coding, Web/Graphic Design and Documentation/Translation, so yes,
> > non-programming tasks are allowed.
> >
> > As far for who is actually responsible for the program, a part from the
> > email address women-outreach gnome org they do not offer much more
> > information. I was thinking of contacting them anyway, so if one of you is
> > willing to take on the mentorship, I could ask more details about what
> > exactly would it entail...
> >
> > It would be great to collaborate with someone for community management,
> > specially if that someone is more of a programming background than me, which
> > won't be difficult at all... ;)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Radina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2012/3/22 Lionel Dricot < ploum ploum net >
> >>
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> >> Hi Radina,
> >>
> >> I'm not familiar with the GOPW. Are non-programming tasks allowed? If
> >> yes, then you would be very welcome. Who is responsible for GOPW? Are
> >> you sure that writing doc is enough to be accepted?
> >>
> >> We have another candidate as the community manager but I don't see why
> >> we can't have two. The tasks would be to maintain the blog and the G+
> >> page.
> >>
> >> Lionel
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 22/03/12 08:56, Radina Matic a écrit :
> >
> >> > Hello everybody,
> >> >
> >> > Recently I have been collaborating with the GTG project by
> >> > translating the GUI into Spanish, Italian and Catalan but I wanted
> >> > to contribute more and I was thinking of applying for the GNOME
> >> > Outreach Program for Women internships
> >> > < https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWomen/OutreachProgram2012 > with a
> >> > /*User Documentation*/ writing project for Getting Things GNOME.
> >
> >> > However, even though he is listed as a mentor for the GTG project
> >> > < https://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove/Mentors >, Luca Invernizzi seems
> >
> >> > to be unavailable at the moment, and Bertrand Rousseau suggested
> >> > that I contact all the developers to see if anybody is interested
> >> > in becoming a GOPW mentor for my collaboration with the GTG
> >> > project.
> >> >
> >> > I like the fact that GTG is still very much a work-in-progress,
> >> > and since there is no Help file or User Documentation yet, apart
> >> > from the lonely wiki page, I feel I can really make a contribution
> >> > by creating some new content (docs or tutorials) instead of just
> >> > editing somebody else's writing :) I briefly checked the Project
> >> > Mallard pages and I suppose it will not be an unsurmountable
> >> > venture since I am familiar with HTML. I will be sending you the
> >> > detailed outline of help topics in a couple of days, but in short
> >> > my plan would be to start from the existing sample "Learn to..."
> >> > tasks that come with the GTG, use them to create the first topics
> >> > for the new Mallard docs and expand the Help from there. Ideally
> >> > major topics could have tutorials following the user scenarios
> >> > somebody mentioned on the mailing list recently, or video tutorials
> >> > and screencast (I will have to figure out what to use for
> >> > screencasting on Linux instead of Camtasia that I used on
> >> > Windows).
> >> >
> >> > One advance warning: I am not a coder, just fairly proficient in
> >> > HTML, CSS and WordPress management. Sometimes I even manage to
> >> > change an already existing _javascript_ line (or two) without it
> >> > crashing on me afterwards, but I never wrote anything from scratch.
> >> > I even muddled a bit with Flash and Actionscript, but that was a
> >> > while ago. Now that I think of it, the first tutorial I ever wrote
> >> > was about Flash projectors and CD burning, I think it can still be
> >> > found somewhere on the web... :P
> >> >
> >> > I also saw that you were looking for the community manager and if
> >> > that "position" can be filled by somebody without the actual
> >> > coding knowledge, it could be a part of my tasks as an intern. And
> >> > it will be easier to give more international exposure to GTG as I
> >> > could write both the docs and the blog in English, Spanish and
> >> > Italian (and Catalan if time allows it).
> >> >
> >> > I know that the deadline for the GOPW applications is very soon but
> >> > at the moment I am pretty available and the only thing I will be
> >> > doing until September are a couple of online courses at the UC
> >> > Berkeley Extension where I plan to finish the Professional
> >> > Certificate Program in Technical Communication this year. So a part
> >> > from that, I am free as a bird and could easily take on another
> >> > "small" contribution required before the deadline for the GOPW and
> >> > the 40 hours per week during the May-August internship period. Here
> >> > you can find all the info about the GOPW internship
> >> > < https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWomen/OutreachProgram2012 > and the
> >> > information for prospective mentors
> >> > < https://live.gnome.org/InfoForMentors >. I know that you guys are
> >
> >> > all pretty busy with your own projects but I really hope there is
> >> > somebody with enough time to take on the mentorship - I am very
> >> > autonomous and extremely low maintenance, scout's honor ;)
> >> >
> >> > That's it for now. I am looking forward to hearing from you...
> >> >
> >> > Regards, Radina
> >>
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