Re: [gnome-cy] Basecamp complete

[Kevin Donnelly <kevin dotmon com>]

Hi Telsa 

On Dydd Iau 10 Gorfennaf 2003 11:16 yp, Telsa Gwynne wrote:
> Good heavens.

Quite.

> Actually, back-porting all the stuff in Gnome to the current stable
> branch, which is of course smaller than the current devel branch,
> gives us 47%. At 50% Welsh becomes "partially supported" and at 90%
> (gulp) it is fully supported.

I'm trying to distinguish between what is needed to get Gnome/KDE "in the box" 
(what I'm calling "essential"), and the desktop as a whole.  The former may 
be more important to developer-types, but the latter is actually more 
important to user-types.  It's also important not to give the impression that 
we have the thing done and dusted - even if it goes in the box, there is 
still a lot of work to be done before we can say that there is a full Welsh 
desktop available under either system - and we need to keep people aware of 
that.  Hence the sub-project idea, so that we can report milestones without 
obscuring the larger task.

So that is the thinking behind the figures I'm posting.  I'm taking them from 
the following pages:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.4/cy/index.html
http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/HEAD/cy/index.php
The KDE one gives the percentage directly, and the Gnome one I'm taking from 
the total number of strings listed there, which is 51,152.  

The figures you're referring to would (I think?) relate to these pages:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.4/essential.html
http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/HEAD/essential.php
Strictly speaking, Basecamp has not got KDE above the 75% required for kdebase 
- we need another 800 strings for that, but these are in files of less than 
100 strings, which it is easier to work in off-site.  So that will be sorted 
shortly.  The Gnome one is obviously hovering at around the 50% mark, which, 
you say, will be enough to get it partially supported.  In view of the files 
still to be done (ahem - why did none of these wing their way towards us when 
I set up Basecamp? :-), it may be better to leave pim for a while, and, as 
you suggest, try to get these to the state where we can say Welsh is 
supported in Gnome.  Unfortunately, there's less time for that than there is 
with KDE:
http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.2-release-plan.html
http://gnome.org/start/2.3/ (seems to be down).

> The Gnome ones will arrive over the next few days. It would be lovely
> if we could have the names of the major contributors to them, so
> people see their names in lights, so to speak.

Thanks to the magic of Kartouche, a html file is attached which does this very 
thing.  You can see that the chief author of our joys is Owain Green, 
although he won't have as much time in the future :-).

> This is fabulous. gnome-control-centre is a monster :) Alan is
> building rpms and Dafydd and I are hammering Gnome CVS.

Good.  I'll have to see if these rpms run on SuSE - will there be any 
BlueCurve oddities which might prevent that?  There is of course the SuSE use 
of /opt, but I suppose I could rebuild the rpms to cope with that.  

> Well. What about Evolution? 6000 strings in the whole thing, <snip>

OK - though see above.  I will split it into 8 or 9 files onsite, though, and 
cat them when complete.  A 5,000 string file is too morale-sucking (kdelibs 
was only 3,400, and I hated that by the end of it).

> Diolch i ti am dy waith gyda kyfiethu, am i bawb sydd wedi
> cyflannu. (Pwy yw'r bobl yma? Dweda 'diolch' iddyn nhw.)

Owain oedd yn gwneud y mwyafrif!

I do have to say that I think it is interesting that we would not have had the 
benefit of his input from far-off Luton unless KGyfieithu had been there to 
attract his (father's) attention.  We also got nearly 450 Gnome strings 
translated from others who may or may not contribute in the future - not 
much, you may say, but 1% of the total, say I; another 20 such sets of 
one-off contributors, and we have 20% of the Gnome desktop translated.  I was 
delighted about the 25 KDE strings posted from "Kadi" (see, Rhoslyn? - it's 
catching on!), who is actually a 12-year-old in my son's class.  To me, this 
points up the need to pursue a reasonably integrated approach to all this 
stuff if we want actual results that people can end up using.

Best wishes

Kevin

Contributor	Eog	Applets	Control-center	Media	Pilot	Pim	Utils	Terminal	Total
Owain Green	139	207	343	339	235	472	230	18	1983
Dafydd Harries	6	424		80		8		397	915
Unknown	26		6	10	5	8		397	452
Gruffudd Williams							151		151
Gareth Williams			121						121
Steve Griff(iths?)			49	32	8		18		107
Tom Llewelyn					93				93
Chris Jackson		56							56
Dafydd Jones				64					64
Daniel			2						2