Re: apps no longer accessible using gnome and orca

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

John:

I just deleted another post on this topic from you, and then I relized I
had a thought to share ...

If I remember what you wrote correctly, apps are launching, but Orca
doesn't appear to be getting the news. That really sounds like an issue
with the AT-SPI bridge. Was that recently updated?

Also, could you perhaps use lsof to chase down this problem?

John Covici writes:
> I have such a thing, but its just a directory, but maybe I could sort
> on the time -- I will check.
>
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 19:45:42 -0400,
> Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Do you have a log of what was updated in cronological order? Working
> > backwards might be one way to go.
> >
> >
> > John Covici writes:
> > > Down version of what?  Gnome has many items, I can't just say go to
> > > earlier version of gnome.  Anyone have any ideas?
> > >
> > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 15:24:49 -0400,
> > > Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > e.g. downversion
> > > >
> > > > John Covici writes:
> > > > > Unrolling what exactly?  If its not window manager what might it be?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 14:06:56 -0400,
> > > > > Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > > I understand the attraction of gentoo. Why not get a custom build, with
> > > > > > just the apps you want, and no more? Sounds cool--until important things
> > > > > > break, at which point you're left with both pieces.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sorry, I have no gentoo specific understanding to offer. I can
> > > > > > suggest some of the ordinary approaches available on other distros, such
> > > > > > as unrolling to earlier versions until things again work. Yes, that can
> > > > > > be very tedious, but isn't that part of the gentoo bargain?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe there are other gentoo users here who can validate your
> > > > > > experience, or indicate their current success. But, gentoo users are so
> > > > > > few and far between because of the high upfront cost of running gentoo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know I'm being a bummer, John. But, I feel I've known you via these
> > > > > > lists for long enough, that I'm willing to endure your ire. So, what is
> > > > > > gentoo's recommended strategy for such situations? After all, breakage
> > > > > > is surely inevitable in any human enterprise, including Linux.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Janina
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Covici writes:
> > > > > > > Hi.  I am using the gentoo distribution and its gnome overlay and for
> > > > > > > the last period (maybe a month or two) I find that no apps are
> > > > > > > accessible using the orca screen reader.  The apps actually run as
> > > > > > > verified with eyeballs, but orca does not see them.  I am running the
> > > > > > > latest accessibility framework from git as of about 4 days ago.
> > > > > > > Apparently, orca is not receiving the window activate event and it was
> > > > > > > suggested to me that it might be the window manager.  I am using
> > > > > > > mutter 3.20.3, downgraded to 3.20.2, but no joy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> > > > > > > How do
> > > > > > > you spend it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >          John Covici
> > > > > > >          covici ccs covici com
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> > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Janina Sajka,       Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> > > > > >                     sip:janina asterisk rednote net
> > > > > >             Email:  janina rednote net
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:   http://a11y.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > > > > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures    http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > > > >
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> > > > > How do
> > > > > you spend it?
> > > > >
> > > > >          John Covici
> > > > >          covici ccs covici com
> > > >
> > > > -- 
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> > > >                         sip:janina asterisk rednote net
> > > >                 Email:  janina rednote net
> > > >
> > > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
> > > >
> > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures        http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> > > How do
> > > you spend it?
> > >
> > >          John Covici
> > >          covici ccs covici com
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Janina Sajka,       Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> >                     sip:janina asterisk rednote net
> >             Email:  janina rednote net
> >
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:   http://a11y.org
> >
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures    http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>
> -- 
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
>
>          John Covici
>          covici ccs covici com

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Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
                        sip:janina asterisk rednote net
                Email:  janina rednote net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures        http://www.w3.org/wai/apa