Re: Gnome 3.14 hits Arch linux repos, also on Manjaro unstable repos.

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
I am afraid why the mate is becoming mostly accessible is just a pure 
coincidence and it has a lot to do with the fact it's originally based 
off of gnome 2.
All accessibility development has been happening at gnome throughout the 
years. I don't think this is about to change anytime soon.
I am calling these guys and girls accessibility heroes for my-self.
What I think is they need a little more help from us visually disabled 
community users.
We do already have some power users here such as me, Kyle, José, Attila, 
Dave Hunt, Kendel Clark, Burd Henry, Alex Midence and some others who 
might verry likelly be able to help with this to some degree. Perhaps 
there are more people and I apologise if I have forgotten to mention 
someone who might be qualified enough.

Of course the keypoint is we should start reporting bugs more activelly 
with more concrete steps to reproduce for other packages not limiting 
our-selves to orca. As we will notice other gnome developers addressing 
our issues we can learn from them by studying concrete code examples.
Additionally here are companies such as Rethat and Igalia. I don't think 
we are likelly to receive possible help from other companies not 
mentioning F123 and other not for profit organizations at this point. 
However if you specifically need bughunters please try to motivate 
people a bit. The fact we should be able to receive better accessible 
enviromment in april is enough to get us try to do something that may 
hopefully be helpfull.
If there is a way to guide us a bit we would likelly be able to help 
more than just writing such theories like the one I am now speculating 
about.
Along with other discussion message I have sent today it took me more 
than a hour. If I add tryal and error with what I am describing it took 
me several more hours. If instead I was able to fix several 
accessibility related issues rather than speculating here trying to make 
someone notice it I am really interested maybe the outcome would be even 
a bit better.

So we currently have a first task to do guys until someone will bring a 
better idea. Let's find the most anoying issue you can recognize on the 
gnome bugtracker and try to think if someone of us has an idea on how to 
fix it. If we will be there we can add other issues we can identify and 
are not already tracked.

What do you guys think? Is someone happy about trying doing a bit to try 
to improve this situation a little?

Greetings

Peter




On 18.10.2014 at 05:24 Benjamin Moser wrote:
> W,
>
> Maybe in the future we will get better accessibility out of the Mate 
> project than we are getting from the Gnome folks.
>
> Man oh man! I hope SOMEBODY will keep things going in a positive 
> direction.
>
>
> On 10/17/2014 04:52 AM, Hadi Rezaee wrote:
> > hi Peter
> > You brought of lots of great points. I totally agree with you about 
> > the speed. gnome 3.14 has a boost on speed!
> > But i also agree with all the rest of your points. apparently, nearly 
> > all gnome apps are not accessible or have broken keyboard navigation 
> > otherwise.
> >
> >
> > On 10/16/2014 10:51 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I have just updated my arch linux to gnome 3.14.
> > > I see it's slightly better in performance than earlier versions. It 
> > > can for example be immediatelly seen when using nautilus to browse 
> > > large directory trees e.g. my directory containing 365 
> > > subdirectories where each subdirectory is containing from 3 to 180 
> > > files.
> > >
> > > Unfortunatelly there are some things which I am worried of:
> > > - Buttons on the GDM login screen are missing accessible 
> > > descriptions. This is an old issue reported after gnome 3.12 has 
> > > been released.
> > > - New improved gnome-contacts are extremelly innefficient to 
> > > navigate with keyboard and I am afraid in terms of accessibility 
> > > verry little has improved.
> > > - List in the gnome-documents is missing many important info in the 
> > > accessible name. Popup menus can't be activated via keyboard. It is 
> > > similar in layout to gnome contacts and is less usefull.
> > > - Google docs should be now supported through online accounts 
> > > however I haven't found a way on how to share a file through google 
> > > docs.
> > > - I haven't looked into gnome music, gnome maps, gitg, polari and 
> > > maybe some other new and rewamped apps however I am afraid 
> > > accessibility guidelines are not being taken into account while 
> > > developing these new modern gnome 3 apps.
> > >
> > > We visually disabled people would love to also benefit from these 
> > > the same way sighted people do. In gnome 3.12 a lot of new GTK 
> > > widgets were invented with accessibility support and I feel gnome 
> > > 3.14 is not continuing in this trend.
> > >
> > > A lot of these modern apps are coded using vala. Is there a chance 
> > > we might try to promote gnome accessibility support inside vala 
> > > community?
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > On 16.10.2014 at 18:35 Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> > > > Awesome! Looking forward to the upgrade.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 16/10/14 12:18, Hadi Rezaee wrote:
> > > > > Hi guys
> > > > >
> > > > > Arch extra repos are now updated their gnome to  3.14.
> > > > > Manjaro unstable repos are also loaded with the latest gnome release.
> > > > > Expect gnome on Manjaro stable in two weaks
> > > > >
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