Re: Now Getting Braille Output From Gnopernicus

[Luis Villa <louie ximian com>]

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 11:57, Irene Ryan wrote:
> Hi Bill, Luis,
> 
> I have just started gathering some information to write a chapter on Gnopernicus
> for the GNOME Accessibility Guide. The focus of the chapter would be on using
> Gnopernicus but I can also include the necessary information about how to set it
> up or at least pointers to where the setup is already documented, if that's the
> case. 

It seems like there probably needs to be a separate 'build and
installation' guide for most of GNOME, but for a11y in particular- the
average user of a11y probably doesn't want to/can't build it themselves,
but the average tester/developer clearly needs help with it. Seems like
putting all the documentation in one doc probably ignores that, doesn't
it?

Luis

> Luis Villa wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 10:49, Bill Haneman wrote:
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I am wondering if you have turned on the "accessibility" support gconf
> > > key or not.  You may have missed that step, it's been mentioned a few
> > > times on the list.  I think we need to somehow concatenate all this
> > > information together once again, a number of people have written short
> > > HowTo documents but nothing quite brings all the information together
> > > yet.
> > 
> > You might want to poke the documentation list
> > (gnome-doc-list gnome org)- I'd bet someone there would be willing to
> > help condense and arrange all the information, if someone here can
> > provide pointers to things that have already been written.
> > 
> > Luis
> > 
> > > Before accessibility will work across the desktop, you need to check
> > > this gconf key:
> > >
> > > gconftool-2 --get /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility
> > >
> > > if it's "false", set it to true:
> > >
> > > gconftool-2 --type bool --set
> > > /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true
> > >
> > > (all one line, my emailer is word-wrapping this command).
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope that this will work for you.  If not, then we need to do some
> > > more diagnostics on gnopernicus (you can kill gnopernicus and srcore,
> > > and any gnome-speech drivers, from a console and then run gnopernicus
> > > manually after GNOME has started, perhaps you will see some useful error
> > > messages).
> > >
> > > I am glad to be of help, thanks for your part in trailblazing!
> > >
> > > - Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 15:18, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > The session-manual file that you gave works great. There is now no call to
> > > > gnopernicus or srcore in my .xinit file. When i type startx there is a
> > > > delay of about a minute, then the message "Welcome to Gnopern" appears on
> > > > my braille display. I had a sighted colleague check the screen. gnome is
> > > > up. The mouse works. However, the Braille display never changes, no matter
> > > > what is done with the mouse, the keyboard or the front-panel keys on the
> > > > display itself.
> > > >
> > > > I am thrilled to be able to contribute to the development of this screen
> > > > reader even as a tester, and maybe i can make some code contributions in
> > > > the future.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >  On 13 May 2003, Bill Haneman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > John:
> > > > >
> > > > > As Christopher said, you should not start gnopernicus before starting
> > > > > GNOME (i.e. gnome-session).
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I know, your ~/.xinitrc file need only contain one line,
> > > > >
> > > > > "exec gnome-session"
> > > > >
> > > > > in order to start GNOME.  I do not know whether an immediate invocation
> > > > > of "exec gnopernicus" afterwards would cause a race condition or not;
> > > > > perhaps a 'sleep' in between would be advisable.  The "gnome-session"
> > > > > call won't return until you quit GNOME, which is why it needs to be
> > > > > "exec"'ed instead of just placed in the script.
> > > > >
> > > > > There's a GUI in gnome for adding startup programs.  Unfortunately there
> > > > > isn't a proper command-line or script version of this (yet).  But you
> > > > > can manually edit the session file:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) create directory ~/.gnome2 if it doesn't exist yet
> > > > > 2) create file ~/.gnome2/session-manual
> > > > > 3) contents of session-manual file:
> > > > >
> > > > > <blank line>
> > > > > [Default]
> > > > > num_clients=1
> > > > > 0,RestartStyleHint=3
> > > > > 0,Priority=60
> > > > > 0,RestartCommand=gnopernicus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope that helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, at least I am getting something on my Alva 320 display. When I start
> > > > > > Gnome and Gnopernicus the displaly shows "Welcome to Gnopern". Pressing
> > > > > > the keys on the front panel of the 320 has no effict. Brltty continues to
> > > > > > work with the Braille Lite 40 in port 1. I can read on the screen that
> > > > > > that Braille initialization was successful.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In my .xinitrc file I have srcore -p2 just before      exec
> > > > > > $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session . When I tried replacing "srcore -p2: with just
> > > > > > "gnopernicus" it appeared to crash the system. I had to reboot - for the
> > > > > > first time in two months. Moreover, I had to press reset to do it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope these results will help with debugging. They are encouraging, and
> > > > > > I'm ready to do further testing as soon as I or someone figures out the
> > > > > > next step.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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