Re: [g-a-devel] Are action names localized?

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

I'll vote that action names as they are exposed right now should not be 
localized.  If there is a desire to provide a localized form in the 
future, new API should be introduced for the purposes of keeping 
backwards compatibility.

Thanks!

Will

Steve Lee wrote:
> My response was more exposition.
> Make it a no.
>
> On 2/14/07, David Bolter <david bolter utoronto ca> wrote:
> > Thanks Bill.
> >
> > So we have a couple of votes for "no".  I don't think Steve's was a
> > strong "yes"?  Especially if we add API down the road, for localized
> > version of the name.
> >
> > Regarding adding a "getLocalizedActionName"... that sounds good except
> > might imply to the API reader that the current "getActionDescription" is
> > not localized?  Probably still the best solution though as I suppose it
> > would be a bit more disruptive to go the route of changing getActionName
> > to be localized and to add a getUniversalActionName... breaks backwards
> > compat.
> >
> > cheers,
> > David
> >
> > Bill Haneman wrote:
> > > At present the set of 'known action names' is pretty small.
> > >
> > > As such, GOK can call the gettext() macro on the non-localized name, and
> > > handle the localization of this small pool of names itself.
> > >
> > > We intentionally left action names unlocalized to date, because of
> > > reasons in your "case for 'no'" below; action names are 'generic' in
> > > that they describe a small set of actions that should be common across
> > > toolkits; in that sense they are like an enumeration (except that new
> > > ones can be added if no old one suffices for a given use case).
> > >
> > > It would be feasible to add getLocalizedActionName() to the at-spi IDL
> > > and to atk, compatibly, as the AtkAction method currently has one unused
> > > 'slot'.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > David Bolter wrote:
> > >
> > > > Fixed resend of message.
> > > >
> > > > Should the action names exposed by accessible widgets/components be
> > > > localized?
> > > >
> > > > The case for "yes":
> > > > AT like GOK can just expose the localized action names to the user as
> > > > GOK keys without having to worry about english user literacy.
> > > >
> > > > The case for "no":
> > > > AT like Orca can do neat things like script for specific action names
> > > > such as "cycle" or "toggle", and provide a better user experience. If
> > > > Orca scripted for "toggle" but in Klingon it was in fact "snarklegruff",
> > > > then the script would fail. Expecting Orca to translate cycle into
> > > > Klingon in the same way as the author of the app widget did doesn't seem
> > > > reasonable.
> > > >
> > > > AT-SPI's AccessibleAction_getDescription should of course be expected to
> > > > return localized strings.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose ideally we could have API:
> > > > getUniversalActionName
> > > > getActionName
> > > > getActionDescription
> > > >
> > > > But we don't. So what should we do?  Note: if we say "yes" we still need
> > > > to solve the keying off action name problem.  If we say no, GOK has the
> > > > fallback of using (a hopefully short) action description to build key
> > > > labels. If I don't hear back, I'll assume action names are not localized.
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > David
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