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Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

On Sunday 04 October 2020 00:18:45 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:


I'm using 2.10.20 and it works as I describe above. I have been using
the Gimp since 2.8 and before, and it has always worked that way.

What version are you using, and did you try what I described or did
you just read it?


I tried it, but I also have to figure out the equivalents since 2.8 is 
different. I could try posting a small screenshot if the server will 
take it. But not tonight. Its been too long a day already.

Where you say the editor shows up on the right, mine shows up at the left 
border.  It has 4 icons in the bottom border, one says save, the next 
says restore, a trashcan and something on the right I haven't yet 
identifiedI have not identified. But so far, no one has told me where 
the save button writes to so I could at least check to see if the button 
even works since theres zero reaction from clicking on it. Same with the 
restore button, no reaction and nothing is restored. It might as well be 
welded to sans, black and 18px, and the 18px makes it worthless.


How many text layers do you have?


Most pix just one string of text.  Sometimes 2.

Cliff

On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 4:33 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett shentel net> 

wrote:

On Saturday 03 October 2020 21:23:35 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list

wrote:

Hm, how many text layers do you have?

If I create a text layer I can create it with the particular font
and font size. When I create another text layer, I can set the
font, etc in the new layer to something different. If I then
decide that the font is wrong in the first text layer, and I
select that text layer, it comes up with the font and font size
that I selected in the first place ie, what it was when I left
that layer. If I go back to the other text layer it shows the font
and font size that it was when I left THAT layer.

So
1) I create a text box/layer (call it One), set the font to
something, and the font size to 16 pts. I type something eg One.
[I create a text box by clicking on the text tool, and clicking on
the canvas.] 2) I create a second text box/layer. (call it Two). I
set the font to 64 pts. I type something eg Two. [I create a new
text box by clicking somewhere outside the first text box.]
3) I decide that the font size in One is too small. I switch to
that text layer [By clicking in the text box.]. *The font size now
shows 16 pts*. I change the font size. I don't delete the text. I
just change the font size (to say 32 pts).
4) I switch to layer Two. *The font size now shows 64 pts*.
5) If I switch between text layers the font size alternates
between 16 and 64 pts.

Each 'line of text' is in a separate text layer. Each text layer
retains the font, font size and other attributes that it had when
you last left it. Any new layer contains the attributes of the
previous text layer that you created.

Cheers,

Cliff

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:02 PM Rick Strong <rnstrong primus ca> 

wrote:

My eyes are nearly 80 years old, I am going blind in one of them
and I can easily read 18 pt type.
Anyway, you need something larger. OK. Try double clicking on
the "A" tool and setting the type specs in the dialogue/tab that
comes up on the right. Screenshot attached. I assume you are
using the latest version.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Heskett
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2020 7:38 PM
To: Rick Strong
Cc: gimp-user-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

On Friday 02 October 2020 18:36:07 you wrote:

Gene,

By my reckoning, an 18 px letter is less than 1 pt high on an
300 dpi print—virtually invisible. Try setting the text size
to 18 pts. (POINTS, not pixels) to be legible.


I have done that, Rick, but 18 pts isn't near big enough for
older eyes either, so you backspace to get rid of the dust
specs, look up to the text box and its reset to 18px.
Frustrating is a very weak description. You spend 10 minutes
bounceing from one place in that tool, to another trying to get
it to keep what you selected long enough to type one line of
text. Repeat for every line of text you want to overlay on a
pix.


Good luck.


I don't need luck, I need instructions that work, please read my
whole message.


And so far, for all the pontificating here, none of which seems to
apply to the 2.8 I am trying to use. That alone is more than ample
evidence of the control churn as far as I am concerned.  I have
changed the font, color and size, then clicked save at the bottom of
my tool edit window until I've about wore out the mouse and the save
button.  But the next time I launch GIMP, its still black, sans, and
18 px.  If you can make 2.8 text Just Work so setting one thing does
NOT restore the totally useless defaults for everything else, AND
the save and restore buttons actually do that, I need the exact
sequence of operations that ACTUALLY DO make it work in the 2.8
being published by debian.

OR push debian to update it to your version of 2.10 unpatched by
debian, don't even allow branding patches.

OR setup a repo we can download a WORKING copy of 2.10 or whatever
the current version of the day is, from your own servers in .deb
format.

Take your pick, but please, get your users a WORKING copy of GIMP.

20 years ago I could ask how to do something and get instructions on
how to do it that worked.  Now its 2020 and all I am getting is
claims that it Just Works, without even qualifying the answer with a
versiion number or a step by step that does work.


RS


My whole point is that there is no way to set the defaults AND
setting anything else restores the default of 18 px, switches it
back to sans font, and the selected color back to black. 
Changing ANY of those settings should change them at the very
least for the lifetime of the current session. ANY TIME YOU
CHANGE ONE THING, IT RESETS EVERYTHING ELSE BACK TO THE
DEFAULTS. INCLUDING CHANGING WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT IT BY LEFT
CLICKING THE SCREEN WHERE YOU WANT TO START TYPING. And if your
put it here click is too high, the box disappears under the
friggin ruler at the top of the screen so that you can't see if
its decided to restore all the defaults

Since you have not addressed my main bitch at all, how about
telling us how to change the text defaults to something that IS
usable and by makeing those the defaults, 90% of the
frustrations would be addressed. Maybe _you_ have a sequence
that works, but no one has told the users. Put it in a format I
can print and tape to the wall for next time.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Heskett
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2020 5:05 PM
To: gimp-user-list gnome org
Subject: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

Greetings all;

I, like Ruben Safir, am A. tired of the lack of good docs, and
B. the churn in how it works. I just had occasion to caption
some pix as an aid to my wife who is not a computer whiz, in
setting up a piano keyboard, and the air was quite blue around
me by the time I got done because every time I tried to set
one option in the text panel it reset everything else back to
the defaults.  And an 18 px black character isn't more than a
visible dot on an 8x10 printout, so I click on the size and
add a zero to make 180 px. Then I am going to put it in a
black area of the printout, so I select the color white and
hit enter and it resets the size to 18px and the font back to
sans from sans serif. Thats bs at its finest.  So is the text
box when its under the top ruler and you can't see that its
decided to reset everything back to the defaults. So please
tell me the correct sequence of key or mouse strokes to set
that up and if possible set it as the defaults so I don't have
to get so frustrated just to add a line or 3 of text captions
to a picture. You've made 4 hours of very frustrating work out
of captioning 6 photo's that ought to be 3 minutes plus print
time each. If this worked. But IMNSHO it sucks dead toads thru
soda straws. So please make it _Just_Work_, write some docs
that tell us how to use it, and then stop the churn.

Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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