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Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

On Saturday 03 October 2020 21:23:35 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list 
wrote:


Hm, how many text layers do you have?

If I create a text layer I can create it with the particular font and
font size. When I create another text layer, I can set the font, etc
in the new layer to something different. If I then decide that the
font is wrong in the first text layer, and I select that text layer,
it comes up with the font and font size that I selected in the first
place ie, what it was when I left that layer. If I go back to the
other text layer it shows the font and font size that it was when I
left THAT layer.

So
1) I create a text box/layer (call it One), set the font to something,
and the font size to 16 pts. I type something eg One. [I create a text
box by clicking on the text tool, and clicking on the canvas.]
2) I create a second text box/layer. (call it Two). I set the font to
64 pts. I type something eg Two. [I create a new text box by clicking
somewhere outside the first text box.]
3) I decide that the font size in One is too small. I switch to that
text layer [By clicking in the text box.]. *The font size now shows 16
pts*. I change the font size. I don't delete the text. I just change
the font size (to say 32 pts).
4) I switch to layer Two. *The font size now shows 64 pts*.
5) If I switch between text layers the font size alternates between 16
and 64 pts.

Each 'line of text' is in a separate text layer. Each text layer
retains the font, font size and other attributes that it had when you
last left it. Any new layer contains the attributes of the previous
text layer that you created.

Cheers,

Cliff

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:02 PM Rick Strong <rnstrong primus ca> wrote:

My eyes are nearly 80 years old, I am going blind in one of them and
I can easily read 18 pt type.
Anyway, you need something larger. OK. Try double clicking on the
"A" tool and setting the type specs in the dialogue/tab that comes
up on the right. Screenshot attached. I assume you are using the
latest version.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Heskett
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2020 7:38 PM
To: Rick Strong
Cc: gimp-user-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

On Friday 02 October 2020 18:36:07 you wrote:

Gene,

By my reckoning, an 18 px letter is less than 1 pt high on an 300
dpi print—virtually invisible. Try setting the text size to 18
pts. (POINTS, not pixels) to be legible.


I have done that, Rick, but 18 pts isn't near big enough for older
eyes either, so you backspace to get rid of the dust specs, look up
to the text box and its reset to 18px. Frustrating is a very weak
description. You spend 10 minutes bounceing from one place in that
tool, to another trying to get it to keep what you selected long
enough to type one line of text. Repeat for every line of text you
want to overlay on a pix.


Good luck.


I don't need luck, I need instructions that work, please read my
whole message.


And so far, for all the pontificating here, none of which seems to apply 
to the 2.8 I am trying to use. That alone is more than ample evidence of 
the control churn as far as I am concerned.  I have changed the font, 
color and size, then clicked save at the bottom of my tool edit window 
until I've about wore out the mouse and the save button.  But the next 
time I launch GIMP, its still black, sans, and 18 px.  If you can make 
2.8 text Just Work so setting one thing does NOT restore the totally 
useless defaults for everything else, AND the save and restore buttons 
actually do that, I need the exact sequence of operations that ACTUALLY 
DO make it work in the 2.8 being published by debian.

OR push debian to update it to your version of 2.10 unpatched by debian, 
don't even allow branding patches.

OR setup a repo we can download a WORKING copy of 2.10 or whatever the 
current version of the day is, from your own servers in .deb format.

Take your pick, but please, get your users a WORKING copy of GIMP. 

20 years ago I could ask how to do something and get instructions on how 
to do it that worked.  Now its 2020 and all I am getting is claims that 
it Just Works, without even qualifying the answer with a versiion number 
or a step by step that does work.


RS


My whole point is that there is no way to set the defaults AND
setting anything else restores the default of 18 px, switches it
back to sans font, and the selected color back to black.  Changing
ANY of those settings should change them at the very least for the
lifetime of the current session. ANY TIME YOU CHANGE ONE THING, IT
RESETS EVERYTHING ELSE BACK TO THE DEFAULTS. INCLUDING CHANGING
WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT IT BY LEFT CLICKING THE SCREEN WHERE YOU WANT
TO START TYPING. And if your put it here click is too high, the box
disappears under the friggin ruler at the top of the screen so that
you can't see if its decided to restore all the defaults

Since you have not addressed my main bitch at all, how about telling
us how to change the text defaults to something that IS usable and
by makeing those the defaults, 90% of the frustrations would be
addressed. Maybe _you_ have a sequence that works, but no one has
told the users. Put it in a format I can print and tape to the wall
for next time.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Heskett
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2020 5:05 PM
To: gimp-user-list gnome org
Subject: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

Greetings all;

I, like Ruben Safir, am A. tired of the lack of good docs, and B.
the churn in how it works. I just had occasion to caption some pix
as an aid to my wife who is not a computer whiz, in setting up a
piano keyboard, and the air was quite blue around me by the time I
got done because every time I tried to set one option in the text
panel it reset everything else back to the defaults.  And an 18 px
black character isn't more than a visible dot on an 8x10 printout,
so I click on the size and add a zero to make 180 px. Then I am
going to put it in a black area of the printout, so I select the
color white and hit enter and it resets the size to 18px and the
font back to sans from sans serif. Thats bs at its finest.  So is
the text box when its under the top ruler and you can't see that
its decided to reset everything back to the defaults. So please
tell me the correct sequence of key or mouse strokes to set that
up and if possible set it as the defaults so I don't have to get
so frustrated just to add a line or 3 of text captions to a
picture. You've made 4 hours of very frustrating work out of
captioning 6 photo's that ought to be 3 minutes plus print time
each. If this worked. But IMNSHO it sucks dead toads thru soda
straws. So please make it _Just_Work_, write some docs that tell
us how to use it, and then stop the churn.

Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
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"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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