Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Mark Morin <mdmpsyd gmail com>]

On 1/11/2014 2:10 PM, Richard wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:20:20 -0500
> > From: mdmpsyd gmail com
> > To: gimp-user-list gnome org
> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
> >
> > Can I offer my interpretation of this communication breakdown? 
> Apologies
> > to Liam for previously not "replying to list."
> > Helen opens myfile.jpg with gimp. She saves myfile.jpg and it becomes
> > myfile.xcf. She can't see myfile.jpg any more to see what it looks 
> like.
> > She exports myfile.xcf to myfile.jpg and that's fine, the jpg is saved
> > but it is not displayed. If the xcf had been saved, she is looking at
> > the xcf. If the xcf had not been saved and she exported myfile.jpg to a
> > jpg file, she is now looking at "untitled.xcf." She can not see the 
> jpg.
> > I thought this was phrase was self evident but: "myfile.jpg" is no
> > longer present in the title bar of the the window containing the image
> > that used to be "myfile.jpg." It is my understanding that she wants to
> > see what "myfile.jpg" looks like. That is the file that she will be
> > using in her work, not "untitled.xcf" and she wants to be sure it looks
> > like she wants it to look. Liam's e-mail response was: "
> >
> > Why not? Why can't she see it? Where is she looking? And why did it go
> > away?"
> >
> > She can't see it because the file name is no longer in the title bar of
> > the window. She is apparently looking in the title bar of the image
> > window--that off color strip that displays the file name of the 
> image in
> > the window. Why did it go away? As in, "why did it change from
> > 'myfile.jpg' to 'untitled.xcf?'" That's the $10,000,000 dollar 
> question.
> > NB I have no problems with the current save/export features of gimp. I
> > am not jumping into any flame wars but at the same time maybe someone
> > could take the filters of that flame war off and take a second look at
> > Helen's question. If I can understand it, I'm sure others can.
> >
> > Helen, open up an instance of windows explorer, put it in icon mode
> > (extra large) and browse to where you saved your file--there's your 
> jpg.
> > If all you want to do is see it, click on it and it will open in your
> > default image viewer. If you want to edit it, keep working on the file
> > that is open in gimp (there's no need to open the exported file and 
> it's
> > probably better not to because exported files do not contain all of
> > gimp's layers and effects).
> >
>
> If this is about the text shown in the titlebar of the current image 
> window I agree there might be something a little quirky here.  Let's 
> see...:
>
> 1 - Open any convenient JPG file.  Note the title bar will read 
> "[filename-minus-extension] (imported)".
> 2 - Export a copy of it somewhere convenient ("temp.jpg" or 
> whatever).  The titlebar changes to reflect the exported filename 
> (again minus extension) and notes "(exported)" instead of "(imported)".

When I export an imported jpg (without first saving it) the title bar 
changes from as you noted in step one to "[UNTITLED]-1.0 (COLOR SPACE, N 
LAYER) XxY--GIMP" where N is the number of layers and X and Y are the 
dimensions in pixels.
I tested it in windows, I'll try again in Linux as there could be a 
difference
> 3 - Now save it (as an XCF).  The titlebar now reads as 
> "filename.xcf".  The "exported" or "imported" note disappears completely.
> 4 - Export it again.  Since it's now linked to an XCF file, the 
> titlebar shows the XCF file and this does not change to reflect the 
> latest export.
>
> So to me it's clear that the display logic for the image window 
> titlebar is something like:
> 1 - If there's an XCF file associated with the current image, display 
> the XCF file name in the titlebar.
> 2 - Otherwise, if there is a non-XCF file associated with the current 
> image, display the file name in the title bar, minus extension, with 
> parentheses, and note if the image has been recently 
> imported/exported.  The import/export status does not reflect the 
> image's clean/dirty state.
>
> I'm okay with how this works for the most part, but I do have one 
> question - in case number two (known import/export file but no saved 
> XCF) why does the titlebar NOT include the extension of the 
> imported/exported filename?

From my perspective, the active file hasn't been "saved" so there's no 
extension to put in the title bar. I assumed that I would get a warning 
upon closing gimp when I exported the jpg but did not save anything but 
I also didn't do anything to the file.Numbers may not lie, but neither 
do they tell the whole truth.