Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Mark Morin <mdmpsyd gmail com>]

Can I offer my interpretation of this communication breakdown? Apologies 
to Liam for previously not "replying to list."
Helen opens myfile.jpg with gimp. She saves myfile.jpg and it becomes 
myfile.xcf. She can't see myfile.jpg any more to see what it looks like. 
She exports myfile.xcf to myfile.jpg and that's fine, the jpg is saved 
but it is not displayed. If the xcf had been saved, she is looking at 
the xcf. If the xcf had not been saved and she exported myfile.jpg to a 
jpg file, she is now looking at "untitled.xcf." She can not see the jpg. 
I thought this was phrase was self evident but: "myfile.jpg" is no 
longer present in the title bar of the the window containing the image 
that used to be "myfile.jpg." It is my understanding that she wants to 
see what "myfile.jpg" looks like. That is the file that she will be 
using in her work, not "untitled.xcf" and she wants to be sure it looks 
like she wants it to look. Liam's e-mail response was: "

Why not? Why can't she see it? Where is she looking? And why did it go
away?"

She can't see it because the file name is no longer in the title bar of 
the window. She is apparently looking in the title bar of the image 
window--that off color strip that displays the file name of the image in 
the window. Why did it go away? As in, "why did it change from 
'myfile.jpg' to 'untitled.xcf?'" That's the $10,000,000 dollar question. 
NB I have no problems with the current save/export features of gimp. I 
am not jumping into any flame wars but at the same time maybe someone 
could take the filters of that flame war off and take a second look at 
Helen's question. If I can understand it, I'm sure others can.

Helen, open up an instance of windows explorer, put it in icon mode 
(extra large) and browse to where you saved your file--there's your jpg. 
If all you want to do is see it, click on it and it will open in your 
default image viewer. If you want to edit it, keep working on the file 
that is open in gimp (there's no need to open the exported file and it's 
probably better not to because exported files do not contain all of 
gimp's layers and effects).

On 1/10/2014 4:26 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 15:19 -0500, Helen wrote:
> > Ok, I'm trying, but this just doesn't make sense to me.
> > You're saying I was never able to see my file after I "save as" to png or
> > jpg, in
> > prior versions of GIMP.
> Helen, I think what's going on here is a question of people using words
> differently, or more or less precisely.
>
> None of us can "see" files unless we take apart the computer, get out a
> microsocope, and look at the surface of the disk.  No, I'm not being a
> smart-ass :-), what I mean is this:
>
> The only way we "see" a file normally is if some program or other shows
> it to us.
>
> So when you say a file disappears, or you can't see a file, please tell
> us where exactly you were seeing it before - on the deskop? In a gimp
> window? On the list of programs at the bottom of your screen?
>
> Then, which buttons exactly did you press in GIMP so that you no longer
> saw it? E.g. don't say, "I saved it", say,
> In gimp 2.8,
> (1) choose file->quit
> (2) when the prompt appears, "if you quit you will lose 20 hours of
> work", press "save"
> (3) now gimp is no longer displaying my file and has gone away.
> In gimp 2.6,
> (1) choose file->save
> (2) select a filename "happyboy.jpg" and press OK
> (3) press OK to save the file
> (4) GIMP is still displaying the file and the title of the window says
> "happyboy.hpg"
>
> In other words tell us exactly what you're doing, in both versions of
> gimp, as if you were telling someone else sitting at your desk how to
> operate the computer. Then say what you expected to see, what you
> actually saw, and what exactly was the difference.
>
> If it's a bug we's like to understand and fix it.
>
> if it's a problem with the manual, or a place where GIMP is harder to
> use than it could be, we'd like to know that too.
>
> I love your drawings, by the way.
>
> Liam