Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic <kasim ahmic gmail com>]

Considering that they put a lot of time and effort into GIMP 2.8 and that this issue has been being brought 
up for over a year now, I don't think they "quickly rejected" the idea of a toggle. 

There are only two things you can do at this point;
1. Stop using GIMP
2. Get used to the new workflow

Honestly, is it really THAT difficult?


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On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:20 PM, "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr" <jnagyjr1978 gmail com> wrote:

> On 07/19/13 20:19, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
> >
> > > > In my experience any attempt to teach users good practices will be met
> > > > by a few snobbery accusations. Today it's you who issues them.
> > > > Tomorrow it will be someone else.
> > >
> > > It's not your job to teach us anything.
> >
> > Oh it is :) No matter how much you personally resist. You might as
> > well tell us to stop producing the user manual -- after all, if we are
> > not allowed to teach you, then let's be consistent about that, eh? :)
>
> Let me rephrase that: It's not your job to teach us about our workflow. Everyone works differently. The old 
> way of save/save as worked just fine. There was NOTHING wrong with it.
>
> > > I understand that concept very well, what happened here though - while maybe
> > > an improvement for the professional - is a huge change in the workflow of
> > > many, many other users, all of which whom are being ignored or told to shut
> > > up and go away.
> >
> > Nobody is being ignored on this list. And before you argue, I suggest
> > you check the definition of "ignore" in a dictionary again.
> >
> > > > But here's an idea. If using GIMP makes you sulking and soar all the
> > > > time (and this is not the first time you are complaining about a
> > > > specific change), perhaps it's time for you to think why you want to
> > > > invest your time into this unhealthy "relationship"?
> > >
> > > No, it's not.
> >
> > It is --- what? Your statement doesn't make sense grammatically. What
> > does it refer to?
>
> Yes it does make sense grammatically, I'm responding to your claim that this isn't the first complaint I've 
> had about The GIMP (though I couldn't tell you what that was, I also do not really care).
>
> > > that permanently through some options. This new export/save workflow isn't
> > > really all that helpful (though it's not terrible, it's completely foreign
> > > to many long-time users, as people keep posting about it are saying).
> >
> > Many? Do you have solid statistics confirming that? Howe many people
> > does ot take to be considered "many", exactly?
> >
> > If there are e.g.15 unhappy people on the list, is that considered
> > "many" against tens or hundreds of thousands of users around the
> > world?
>
> I'd say from the number of people who keep contributing to these sorts of threads asking for the old way of 
> doing things, it's more than 15 unhappy people. As for those others, I'm sure if they felt it would change 
> anything, more of them would complain.
>
> > > I've already invested many years into using The GIMP, my question to you is
> > > why should I learn something else?
> >
> > Because you are obviously unhappy.
>
> I'm unhappy about one or two features. I'm unhappy about a lot of things. I don't like the ports system in 
> FreeBSD, I'm unhappy I cannot build OpenOffice or LibreOffice with clang. In all those cases, though, 
> nothing else meets my needs. Windows isn't secure or stable enough. MSO sucks in comparison to LibreOffice 
> (the only thing I use MSO for is Avery templates as they have never worked 100% properly in OO or LO). The 
> same with The GIMP. Shotwell doesn't meet my needs (and may as well be a dead project for as slowly as it's 
> updated). Inkskape is something completely foreign. Photoshop is complex, expensive, and unweildly. digikam 
> I can't get to compile/install no matter what I do. I am also unahppy at how unfree FOSS is, fettered with 
> crap licenses like the GPL. Maybe I'm a masochist at heart, or perhaps I just don't like change all that 
> much (I am certainly not in the minority in regards to the subject of this thread).
>
> > > Why is that so hard to understand?
> >
> > The request for a preferences checkbox _is_ understood. And
> > respectfully rejected.
> <snip>
>
> If it was really understood, I don't think you all (the dev's) would be so quick to reject it (respectfully 
> or otherwise). I really do not see how this new way is so much better EXCEPT when working with new images 
> created /in/ The GIMP (which I do from time to time).
>
> -- 
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Joseph A Nagy Jr
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