Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

["Joseph A. Nagy, Jr" <jnagyjr1978 gmail com>]

On 07/19/13 20:19, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
>
> > > In my experience any attempt to teach users good practices will be met
> > > by a few snobbery accusations. Today it's you who issues them.
> > > Tomorrow it will be someone else.
> >
> > It's not your job to teach us anything.
>
> Oh it is :) No matter how much you personally resist. You might as
> well tell us to stop producing the user manual -- after all, if we are
> not allowed to teach you, then let's be consistent about that, eh? :)

Let me rephrase that: It's not your job to teach us about our workflow. 
Everyone works differently. The old way of save/save as worked just 
fine. There was NOTHING wrong with it.

> > I understand that concept very well, what happened here though - while maybe
> > an improvement for the professional - is a huge change in the workflow of
> > many, many other users, all of which whom are being ignored or told to shut
> > up and go away.
>
> Nobody is being ignored on this list. And before you argue, I suggest
> you check the definition of "ignore" in a dictionary again.
>
> > > But here's an idea. If using GIMP makes you sulking and soar all the
> > > time (and this is not the first time you are complaining about a
> > > specific change), perhaps it's time for you to think why you want to
> > > invest your time into this unhealthy "relationship"?
> >
> > No, it's not.
>
> It is --- what? Your statement doesn't make sense grammatically. What
> does it refer to?

Yes it does make sense grammatically, I'm responding to your claim that 
this isn't the first complaint I've had about The GIMP (though I 
couldn't tell you what that was, I also do not really care).

> > that permanently through some options. This new export/save workflow isn't
> > really all that helpful (though it's not terrible, it's completely foreign
> > to many long-time users, as people keep posting about it are saying).
>
> Many? Do you have solid statistics confirming that? Howe many people
> does ot take to be considered "many", exactly?
>
> If there are e.g.15 unhappy people on the list, is that considered
> "many" against tens or hundreds of thousands of users around the
> world?

I'd say from the number of people who keep contributing to these sorts 
of threads asking for the old way of doing things, it's more than 15 
unhappy people. As for those others, I'm sure if they felt it would 
change anything, more of them would complain.

> > I've already invested many years into using The GIMP, my question to you is
> > why should I learn something else?
>
> Because you are obviously unhappy.

I'm unhappy about one or two features. I'm unhappy about a lot of 
things. I don't like the ports system in FreeBSD, I'm unhappy I cannot 
build OpenOffice or LibreOffice with clang. In all those cases, though, 
nothing else meets my needs. Windows isn't secure or stable enough. MSO 
sucks in comparison to LibreOffice (the only thing I use MSO for is 
Avery templates as they have never worked 100% properly in OO or LO). 
The same with The GIMP. Shotwell doesn't meet my needs (and may as well 
be a dead project for as slowly as it's updated). Inkskape is something 
completely foreign. Photoshop is complex, expensive, and unweildly. 
digikam I can't get to compile/install no matter what I do. I am also 
unahppy at how unfree FOSS is, fettered with crap licenses like the GPL. 
Maybe I'm a masochist at heart, or perhaps I just don't like change all 
that much (I am certainly not in the minority in regards to the subject 
of this thread).

> > Why is that so hard to understand?
>
> The request for a preferences checkbox _is_ understood. And
> respectfully rejected.
<snip>

If it was really understood, I don't think you all (the dev's) would be 
so quick to reject it (respectfully or otherwise). I really do not see 
how this new way is so much better EXCEPT when working with new images 
created /in/ The GIMP (which I do from time to time).

--
Yours in Christ,

Joseph A Nagy Jr
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