Re: [gedit-list] gedit redesign

[James <purpleidea gmail com>]

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Adam Dingle <adam medovina org> wrote:
> For those who don't know, the gedit developers have been working on a
> redesign of gedit in the 'wip/redesign' branch.  Here are some mockups that
> Ignacio pointed me to:
>
> https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/gedit/gedit-menus.png
>
> It appears that the major goals of the redesign are
>
>  (a) to replace Gedit's menus with a single application menu plus a single
> gear menu
>  (b) to use a new visual style (implemented by the GtkHeaderBar class) which
> unifies the title bar and toolbar into a single bar
>
> Ignacio has assured me that no features will be removed as part of the
> redesign.
That's good to hear, however it conflicts with your drawing.

> Here are some questions, first for the developers:
>
> 1. What is the chance that this redesign will land in GNOME 3.10?  In 3.12?
> Ever?
>
> 2. Will all existing plugins will need to be modified to work with this
> redesigned gedit?  Certainly it seems that plugins which create menu items
> will need to change since the menu system is changing so much.
>
> 3. Will plugins be able to add menu items to the gear menu?  To the
> application menu?  Will they be able to add new buttons to the combined
> title bar/toolbar?
>
> 4. Is there any Web page with newer mockups or other information about this
> effort?
>
> And a question for users:
>
> 1. Do you want this?  Does this seem like it will make gedit easier to use
> and/or nicer looking?  Are you looking forward to this change?
Seriously? No. I only speak for myself and my users, but
overwhelmingly we don't like that more of the apps look like chrome
and gmail with the "gear" settings. It's fine to maybe add an "app"
menu, but dumping all of the existing menus in there is a serious
regression.

I realize that GNOME is trying to target tablets and touch interfaces,
but for the moment that market is lost, and in the interim it would
make sense to not loose all your core users. It's hard enough to get
people to use GTK+ nowadays, QT is getting quite popular, and most
people don't like GNOME shell.

Personally, I've been trying to use the shell, but if Fedora 19 isn't
a slam dunk, I'll most likely switch to mate.
I'm trying to be positive and provide useful feedback. I'm not sure
it's being heard.
Users want their tab scrolling, split pane nautilus and terminal
transparency back! Please don't break gedit too.

This wasn't meant to be about non-gedit, but whatever poison/influence
has been affecting the rest of gnome is starting to leak into gedit.
Stop it while you still have some users left!

Cheers,
James

> adam
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