Re: Garnome 2.16 | error: Could not find Python module gtk

["Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." <joseph_sacco comcast net>]

Good...

We need to figure out why it is on your system that some python packages
got installed into

   /opt/gnome-2.16.0/lib64/python2.4/site-packages

rather than

   /opt/gnome-2.16.0/lib/python2.4/site-packages

I looked over the configure file for avahi.  When configure searches for
pygtk it only looks in directories with path names like

   */lib/python-2.4/site-packages

-Joseph

=========================================================================
On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 22:03 +0200, Sahid Ferdjaoui wrote:
> Thank you ! :)
> I continue to compil !
> 
> Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
> > Sahid,
> >
> > Avahi can be built without python support:
> >
> > (1) cd to freedesktop/avahi
> > (2) edit the GAR Makefile
> > at the bottom of the file add:
> >
> > CONFIGURE_ARGS += --disable-python
> >
> > (3) make cookieclean
> > (4) make 
> >
> > When you get the time you should connect to the GARNOME IRC channel.
> > There is usually someone on line who can help you.
> >
> > -Joseph
> >
> > ====================================================================== 
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 21:01 +0200, Sahid Ferdjaoui wrote:
> >   
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> thank Joseph for your help
> >>
> >> I have install pygtk:
> >>
> >> [install] complete for pygtk.
> >>
> >> slave:/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/bindings/pygtk #
> >>
> >> but i have always a problem, also i modify it
> >>
> >> PYTHONPATH = /opt/gnome-2.16.0/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0
> >>
> >>
> >> but i have always a problem...
> >>
> >> ... i need python-gtk-devel, but i dont find it in my depo for x86_64 ?
> >>
> >>
> >> checking for /usr/bin/python version... 2.4
> >>
> >> checking for /usr/bin/python platform... linux2
> >>
> >> checking for /usr/bin/python script directory... ${prefix}/lib64/python2.4/site-packages
> >>
> >> checking for /usr/bin/python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib64/python2.4/site-packages
> >>
> >> checking for python module gtk... no
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Sahid,
> >>>
> >>> bindings/pygtk is a dependency for avahi, as can be seen from looking at
> >>> the GAR Makefile for avahi. I asked you to check that ./bindings/pygtk
> >>> successfully built and installed.  If it did, the question now is "why
> >>> can't configure find it?". 
> >>>
> >>> To answer that question, you need to see where the build
> >>> of ./binding/pygtk installed its files. Normally, the files should have
> >>> been installed under
> >>>
> >>>    top-of-garnome-install-tree/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0
> >>>
> >>> If the files are installed somewhere else, you will have to adjust the
> >>> PYTHONPATH environment variable found in gar.conf.mk. gar.conf.mk is
> >>> located at the top of the GARNOME source tree.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Joseph
> >>>
> >>> =================================================================================
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 19:12 +0200, Sahid Ferdjaoui wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> hello
> >>>> i dont understand ... :(
> >>>> i give you full error
> >>>>
> >>>> make[6]: Entering directory `/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/freedesktop/avahi'
> >>>>
> >>>> [===== NOW BUILDING:    avahi-0.6.13    =====]
> >>>>
> >>>>         [fetch] complete for avahi.
> >>>>
> >>>>         [checksum] complete for avahi.
> >>>>
> >>>>         [extract] complete for avahi.
> >>>>
> >>>>         [patch] complete for avahi.
> >>>>
> >>>>         [fixup] complete for avahi.
> >>>>
> >>>>  ==> Running configure in work/main.d/avahi-0.6.13
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> checking for /usr/bin/python platform... linux2
> >>>>
> >>>> checking for /usr/bin/python script directory... ${prefix}/lib64/python2.4/site-packages
> >>>>
> >>>> checking for /usr/bin/python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib64/python2.4/site-packages
> >>>>
> >>>> checking for python module gtk... no
> >>>>
> >>>> configure: error: Could not find Python module gtk
> >>>>
> >>>> make[6]: *** [configure-work/main.d/avahi-0.6.13/configure] Erreur 1
> >>>>
> >>>> make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/freedesktop/avahi'
> >>>>
> >>>> make[5]: *** [../../freedesktop/avahi/cookies/main.d/install] Erreur 2
> >>>>
> >>>> make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/platform/gnome-vfs'
> >>>>
> >>>> make[4]: *** [../../platform/gnome-vfs/cookies/main.d/install] Erreur 2
> >>>>
> >>>> make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/platform/libgnome'
> >>>>
> >>>> make[3]: *** [../../platform/libgnome/cookies/main.d/install] Erreur 2
> >>>>
> >>>> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/platform/libbonoboui'make[2]: *** [../../platform/libbonoboui/cookies/main.d/install] Erreur 2
> >>>>
> >>>> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/platform/libgnomeui'
> >>>>
> >>>> make[1]: *** [../../platform/libgnomeui/cookies/main.d/install] Erreur 2
> >>>>
> >>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/desktop/bug-buddy'
> >>>>
> >>>> make: *** [paranoid-install] Erreur 2
> >>>>
> >>>> slave:/home/sahid/tmp/garnome-2.16.0/desktop #
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Sahid,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Did the python bindings build and install?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take a look in the bindings directory. You will see subdirectories named
> >>>>> py*.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Joseph
> >>>>>
> >>>>> =======================================================================
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 19:11 +0200, Sahid Ferdjaoui wrote:
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>> I try Build Garnome-2.16 on OpenSuSE 10.1 x86_64 but i have a problem,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> checking for /usr/bin/python script directory... ${prefix}/lib64/python2.4/site-packages
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> checking for /usr/bin/python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib64/python2.4/site-packages
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> checking for python module gtk... no
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> configure: error: Could not find Python module gtk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i have installing package gtk-devel and path
> >>>>>> "/opt/gnome-2.16.0/lib64/python2.4/site-packages" its OK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> you have idea ?
> >>>>>> sahid
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>>   sahid.funraill.org
> >>>>>>     semi-official foundation for open source :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>             
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
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