Re: Minutes of the Foundation Board, 22nd May

[Benjamin Berg <benjamin sipsolutions net>]

On Fri, 2018-05-25 at 21:20 +0200, Carlos Soriano wrote:
> Have you done so, if not, is there any reason to not make this offer?
>
> No, apart of the policy mentioned in the minutes.

Will you make such an offer? If not, is there any reason to not make
this offer in the future and in this case?

Benjamin

> On 25 May 2018 at 21:18, Benjamin Berg <benjamin sipsolutions net>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, 2018-05-25 at 21:05 +0200, Carlos Soriano wrote:
> > > Benjamin, I couldn't do in the way you mention simply because
> > that
> > > was not the request. The request was as described "account
> > deletion
> > > in GitLab for a blocked user". The request was for complete
> > deletion,
> > > including any activity.
> >
> > This doesn't make any sense to me. The user has explicitly
> > requested a
> > full deletion including all comments. You have solely decided that
> > the
> > comments would not be removed, but there was no decision on whether
> > the
> > comment text needs to stay as is.
> >
> > As such, I would expect that you explicitly offer the user to
> > replace
> > all text in relevant posts. Have you done so, if not, is there any
> > reason to not make this offer?
> >
> > Benjamin
> >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > On Fri., 25 May 2018, 20:30 Benjamin Berg, <benjamin@sipsolutions
> > .net
> > > > wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2018-05-23 at 12:29 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
> > > > >  * Request for account deletion in GitLab for a blocked user
> > > > (Carlos)
> > > > >   * Carlos sent an email to board-list with details of this
> > > > >   * Carlos is the only GitLab admin. He recently blocked a
> > user
> > > > for
> > > > > inappropriate behaviour. This means that the user can no
> > longer
> > > > log in
> > > > > to edit/delete their comments.
> > > > >   * The user has subsequently sent a mail demanding that
> > their
> > > > posts
> > > > > be deleted. The user has made the case that this is their
> > legal
> > > > right
> > > > > (under Canadian law) and has threatened legal action.
> > > > >   * Comments can only be deleted by an admin.
> > > > >   * We have a prescedent that we don't delete posts that are
> > > > stored on
> > > > > GNOME servers.
> > > >
> > > > There is a fundamental difference with Gitlab compared to other
> > > > services though. On Gitlab comments and bug reports can be
> > > > retrospectively modified by the submitter and even third
> > parties in
> > > > the
> > > > case of bug descriptions. So the user could delete the relevant
> > > > text
> > > > even if they cannot delete the comment itself.
> > > >
> > > > It sounds like the request for deletion was completely refused
> > > > rather
> > > > than complying with it as much as possible by changing all text
> > to
> > > > e.g.
> > > > "comment has been deleted". Is there a reason for not complying
> > > > with
> > > > the request in this way?
> > > >
> > > > >   * Allan - why don't we delete posts? Rosanna - data
> > retention
> > > > > policies are part of our staff handbook, and are required for
> > > > > insurance purposes.
> > > > >   * Didier - on gnome-fr forums, they offer to anonymise
> > posts
> > > > rather
> > > > > than deleting them (in order to preserve threads). Cosimo -
> > isn't
> > > > that
> > > > > what happens when a user account is deleted? Yes.
> > > > >   * Cosimo - prefers that people can remove their account
> > rather
> > > > than
> > > > > deleting posts. Didier agrees with this. Allan is personally
> > in
> > > > favour
> > > > > but doesn't know what the legal requirements are.
> > > > >   * ACTION: Carlos to offer to delete the account and
> > anonymise
> > > > the
> > > > > posts in the process.
> > > >
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