Re: Issues cooperation

[Federico Mena Quintero <federico ximian com>]

On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 09:02, Richard Stallman wrote:
> 
>     3. ggobi: Listed under "Other" because its components have different
>     licences:  AT&T Open Source License, GPL, BSD, LGPL.  I don't know if
>     the AT&T one qualifies as free software.
> 
> I've checked, and it doesn't--that is what makes it a real issue.

I don't have a strong opinion on the software map.  Is there GNU program
that does visualization of high-dimensional data?  I'd love to include
it in the software map.  I could not find one in the gnu.org free
software directory.

>     4. Gibbon: Listed under "Other" because its components are a mixture of
>     LGPL and the phpShop license.  I just skimmed through the latter very
>     quickly and I *think* it may have an advertising clause.
> 
> The advertising clause is incompatible with the GPL but does not make
> the code non-free.  So perhaps Gibbon is not a problem.  I could tell
> you for certain if you send me a copy of the phpShop license.  The
> license of php is ok, but that of phpShop may be something different.

I've attached the license to this mail.

> Using Docbook as a standard instead of Texinfo is one example of
> divergence on standards.  GNOME developers did not discuss this issue
> with me or even tell me that they were going to disregard a
> long-established GNU standard--I found out only by accident.  I
> proposed a compromise to resolve the divergence, that using Docbook
> for the source is ok if it can be converted automatically into a good
> Texinfo file.

Eric Baudais already posted a list of technical reasons why DocBook is a
better idea than Texinfo for GNOME's purposes.

It is easy to convert DocBook into Texinfo if you wish; there are
stylesheets to do that already.

For printing we actually convert directly to TeX and typeset that.

Many free software projects are using DocBook for similar reasons as
GNOME, and our own decision to use DocBook was made a long time ago. 
Given that the tools to process it are all free software, I see no
problem in continuing to use it.

It would be more important to steer projects like Debian to use either
Texinfo or an SGML DTD that is not completely non-standard; Debian uses
"debiandoc-sgml" instead of DocBook, for example.

> Just recently I heard that GNOME is telling people to use a program
> called popt instead of GNU getopt; whether that raises any real issue,
> I don't know yet, but I hope we can have discussions before such
> decisions in the future.

We support exactly the same long options as other GNU programs.  Again,
we use popt for technical reasons:

1. It allows us to chain multiple option sets together.  Most of the
GNOME libraries allow you to specify command-line options to the
programs that use them.  For example, libgnome has an option to
enable/disable the sound server, and libgnomeui has an option to disable
the crash dialog.  Most programs also define their own options.  You
cannot chain multiple option sets together with getopt_long.

2. It can automatically generate the output for --help, --usage, and -?.

We support the same set of options as GNU programs that do use
getopt_long.

There is no point in arguing about things like this; we cannot
micro-manage every single part of every single program.  It would be
pointless for GNOME to argue about other GNU programs implementing their
own versions of linked lists and system abstractions rather than using
Glib, for example.

  Federico

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