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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

Greg,

nobody is requiring you to use a web forum, the only time where you need to use it is the first time where you'd be configuring the tag you want to watch, in this case the evolution one. Once that has happened you'll get all the notifications sent via mail and you'll be able to respond directly from within your mail client like you do today, for anyone not familiar with the tagging process:

Tagging means adding a tag to a specific thread that is created to make sure it can easily be filtered out and most importantly it can easily be configured as a watcher (i.e the process that allows you to receive an email when a new email / response has been added to a thread). Our Discourse instance already has a tag called "evolution", which can be used to tag a specific thread at creation time (or later on in the process) to make sure it gets properly filtered for contributors that are only interested in mc conversations. Each Discourse category comes with an email endpoint, let's say you want to create a new thread under the Applications category, you can send an email to the applications discourse gnome org email and it gets automatically posted to Discourse, like you do today with Mailman. In the background we can configure an automatic tag, that is whenever the Evolution or Evo (or anything you prefer) word is mentioned (similar to what happens today with Mailman list name tag on subjects) the "evolution" tag is automatically added to your thread, that eases consumption by your contributors which have watchers defined for the "evolution" tag.

I'm more than happy to work with you guys to ease this transition. But please keep in mind that nobody is forcing you to use a web forum, Discourse (NOT Discord) can also work as a plain mailing list (please see Andre's mail [1] around this), so don't be alarmed.

Thanks,

[1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00144.html


On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 10:51 PM Greg Oliver <oliver greg gmail com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:45 PM Andrea Veri <av gnome org> wrote:

I have to agree with Pete - there were no notifications to this list until {to|yester}day...  Also in agreement - I will no visit an web forum.  Been using Evo as far as I can remember running Linux - early 2k - hate to drop this off my mailing lists..  I am on a huge amount of lists because like it has been mentioned, they are easy to peruse..  Make me go to a web page, which then has topics with sub-topics, etc and you will lose me (even if I am unimportant to the project).

-Greg

 
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 10:43 PM Andrea Veri <av gnome org> wrote:
Pete,

what you're saying is a honestly a bit unfair, lists decommission has been communicated multiple times over the past few months, see [1] and [2], but what's even more discouraging is seeing users on your list mentioning we're switching to *Discord*, or others not even understanding Discourse has the same mailing list workflow that you have today but has some sugar added on top for people who like web forums and other features Discourse provides. I'm not forcing you to remain, but I'd appreciate you trying to recreate your workflow in Discourse: that is totally possible and I can work with you and any other stakeholder to make sure that happens.

There's a subset of lists (the l10n ones) which have requested an exception from October's deadline, we can surely offer that in case you want some more time in order to migrate somewhere else or just give Discourse a try. But please, very please, let's just stop complaining for the sake of doing so and without having even tried using the new tool.

Thanks,

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 8:24 PM Pete Biggs <pete biggs org uk> wrote:
Andrea -

I hope you are following the Evolution list.  You certainly haven't
been "communicating" anything to the Evolution list about this until
now and it is the first that most people know about it.

It's really disappointing to see you close down a mailing list that has
been active and useful for 20 years with just a few days notice. That's
not really good "community engagement".

It seems really bizarre that you are getting rid of a mailing list for
a mail client.

I know the attitude will be "tough, they'll get over it", but it's not
going to win over the hearts and minds of your constituency.

Pete


On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 13:09 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As we have been communicating during the past few months GNOME's
> Mailman platform is being decommissioned (python2 deprecation, major
> burden in managing lists spam). The deadline is currently set to the
> end of October 2022. Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate
> to GNOME's Discourse instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set
> of tags you can re-use to initiate a new topic in the new platform,
> if a tag is missing please reach out to me directly.
>
> Jehan (from the GIMP Team) kindly provided some instructions you can
> follow [3] in order to safely migrate your reading workflow to
> Discourse. The new platform supports several login methods including
> your GNOME Account and other major OpenID providers.
>
> After the deadline of the end of October Mailman archives will remain
> alive in read only mode for posterity. If the mailing list was used
> behind an alias, please let me know so we can re-do the same setup
> but on Discourse instead.
>
> Thanks,
>
> P.S All the l10n lists are still pending code changes in damned-lies,
> the deadline to decommission those lists may slip by a week or two
> depending how soon those changes will be made available in DL
> codebase
>
> [1] https://discourse.gnome.org
> [2] 
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2022-September/msg
> 00018.html
> [3] 
> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/welcome-to-gimp-forum-on-gnome-discours
> e/11534/5
>
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--
Cheers,
Andrea

Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat,
GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator,
Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary,
GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman



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Cheers,
Andrea

Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat,
GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator,
Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary,
GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman

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Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary,
GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman

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