Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 97, Issue 7



Ladies and Gentlemen
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Now I want to ask you again to send me any more messages. There are just way.
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As of now, I would get nothing more


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> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 22:41:15 +0000
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> 1. Re: IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution folder (AlR)
> 2. Re: IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution folder
> (Patrick O'Callaghan)
> 3. Re: IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution folder
> (Adam Tauno Williams)
> 4. Re: IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution folder
> (Adam Tauno Williams)
> 5. Re: IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution folder
> (Adam Tauno Williams)
> 6. Re: IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution folder
> (Adam Tauno Williams)
> 7. Re: Minor annoyance with scroll wheel (Adam Tauno Williams)
> 8. Re: Minor annoyance with scroll wheel (Patrick O'Callaghan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:59:11 +0800
> From: AlR <alpotr gmail com>
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution
> folder
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> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Pete Biggs <pete biggs org uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > I see this week's discussion about top posting has been thoroughly read
> > and acted on ...
> >
> >
> Sorry about that. Forgot that gmail is including the original message.
>
> You just need to copy them within Evolution from one mail store to
> > another.
> >
>
> For my testing I copied ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local to another
> directory and point my IMAP to that and the IMAP server can read it well.
>
> My problem is that I have lots of filters in my Evolution that moved mails
> to different sub-folders. So does that mean I have to re-create them in
> procmail?
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> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:34:11 +0100
> From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <poc usb ve>
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution
> folder
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> On Sun, 2013-08-04 at 23:59 +0800, AlR wrote:
> > My problem is that I have lots of filters in my Evolution that moved
> > mails
> > to different sub-folders. So does that mean I have to re-create them
> > in
> > procmail?
>
> I don't understand. Why can't you just keep them in Evo? You will
> presumably need to change the target folder names to the new ones,
> that's all. Procmail doesn't enter into it (unless you're already using
> it of course, but note that it's been unsupported for many years).
>
> poc
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:08:36 -0400
> From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam whitemice org>
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution
> folder
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> On Sat, 2013-08-03 at 21:54 +0800, RICAFORT ALFREDO wrote:
> > I wanted to access my emails in Evolution. My 'Receiving Email'
> > setting is '...folders manage by Evolution'. As I know this means that
> > my emails are stored in Maildir format.
>
> You know that? Because, it depends.
>
> > Now I wanted to access these emails
> > through IMAP, in particular using dovecot.
>
> Setup a Dovecot server, create an account on the server, setup an IMAP
> account in Evolution, and then you can just drag-n-drop them to the
> server account. Access them from there from then on.
>
> > Would there be a problem if I just point my
> > 'mail_location=~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local'? I don't plan to
> > send or delete emails through IMAP. I just need to read them.
>
> It might work I suppose. *If* your *version* of Evolution and your
> *version* of Dovecot agree *exactly* on the mail format. Note that you
> will still have concurrency issues as reading messages via IMAP [just
> *READING* them] potentially changes the meta-data.
>
> If it works - good. If it does not work, including deleting or
> scrambling your data, it is *NOT* the fault of Evolution. You are doing
> something this is non-standard and generally a bad idea. If you want to
> access messages via IMAP - then just use IMAP. Performance is very
> good.
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:14:45 -0400
> From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam whitemice org>
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution
> folder
> Message-ID: <1375650885 4912 9 camel workstation wmmi net>
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> On Sun, 2013-08-04 at 09:38 +0800, AlR wrote:
> > But my evolution was setup first and it's been there for a long time.
> > So that means all my emails are in 'evolution' format. If I where to
> > turn it around I would have to convert my emails to whatever mail
> > format my IMAP would have.
>
> Evolution and your IMAP server will do that for you. Create the IMAP
> account in Evolution, move the messages/folder to the server.
>
> > Why do you think that it would be inviting trouble?
>
> Because there are lots of potential concurrency and format problems.
> Evolution [*REASONABLY*] does not expect another process to be diddling
> around underneath it in it's own data-store.
>
> > Is the evolution maildir different from the standard maildir?
>
> Dunno. There is no guarantee that it is the same reading of the spec,
> even if that was intentional. Those 'standards' tend to be a bit
> sloppy, and there can be implementation details that raise compatibility
> issues. Let the IMAP server store the messages in whatever scheme it
> uses, ditto for Evolution.
>
> > And as far as I know IMAP, or dovecot in particular, will not touch
> > the files unless you send emails or delete emails.
>
> Your belief is categorically *FALSE* [I've been managing mail/IMAP/SMTP
> servers for decades].
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:21:43 -0400
> From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam whitemice org>
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution
> folder
> Message-ID: <1375651303 4912 15 camel workstation wmmi net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Sun, 2013-08-04 at 11:39 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > You just need to copy them within Evolution from one mail store to
> > another.
> > > Why do you think that it would be inviting trouble?
> > Because Evolution expects the files in its private store under .local to
> > be private and unmolested by anything else.
>
> +1
>
> > Evolution was not designed to share access to its private mailstore, so
> > it is something that would not be recommended.
>
> Well, except via the Evolution Data Server and D-Bus. But shared
> file-system access - no.
>
> > Ultimately, you can, of course, do anything you want with your system -
> > but don't be surprised if Evolution becomes more unstable and that any
> > future updates completely trash everything.
>
> And if you do this - DO **NOT** **NOT** **NOT** **NOT** POST, BLOG,
> TWEET, etc.. ABOUT HOW *EVOLUTION* RUINED YOUR DATA OR WAS UNSTABLE.
> That is all on you, you are setting a course for uncharted waters;
> there may be dragons there.
>
> --
> Adam Tauno Williams <http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com>
> System Administrator, OpenGroupware Developer, LPI / CNA
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:24:46 -0400
> From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam whitemice org>
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] IMAP mail location pointing to the evolution
> folder
> Message-ID: <1375651486 4912 18 camel workstation wmmi net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Sun, 2013-08-04 at 23:59 +0800, AlR wrote:
> > For my testing I copied ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local to another
> > directory and point my IMAP to that and the IMAP server can read it
> > well.
>
> Nice. Can you post version numbers, just for future reference [and
> archiving]?
>
> > My problem is that I have lots of filters in my Evolution that moved
> > mails to different sub-folders. So does that mean I have to re-create
> > them in procmail?
>
> Doesn't Dovecot support SIEVE? I'd recommend that [a 21st century
> solution] over skeezy old procmail. There are some rather nice
> WebUI/GUI SIEVE script editors floating about.
>
> I'd assume you need to port your rules; I'm not aware of any way to
> export mail filter rules, and [other than SIEVE] there is not even a
> quasi-standard for expressing rules.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:37:22 -0400
> From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam whitemice org>
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Minor annoyance with scroll wheel
> Message-ID: <1375652242 4912 23 camel workstation wmmi net>
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> On Fri, 2013-08-02 at 10:37 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-08-02 at 06:04 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 16:21 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > Just thought I'd mention that this is still not working. The BZ info
> > > > seems to indicate a commit two weeks ago, but I may be misreading the
> > > > version numbers.
> > > > My system
> > > > gtkhtml3-4.6.6-1.fc19.i686
> > > > evolution-3.8.4-1.fc19.i686
> > > > Also, I noticed that scrolling does work when using the touch pad, just
> > > > not with the mouse.
>
> My scroll wheel works in the compose window unless I highlight some
> text, after that the scroll wheel no longer appears to do anything.
>
> Bug has been around for awhile.
>
> evolution-3.8.3-1.1.x86_64
> libgtkhtml-4_0-0-4.6.5-1.1.x86_64
> libgtkhtml-editor-4_0-0-4.6.5-1.1.x86_64
>
> awilliam workstation:~> ldd /usr/bin/evolution | grep gtk
> libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0
> libgtk-3.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libgtk-3.so.0
> libgtkhtml-editor-4.0.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-editor-4.0.so.0
> libgtkhtml-4.0.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-4.0.so.0
> libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0.so.0
> => /usr/lib64/libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0.so.0
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:40:15 +0100
> From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <poc usb ve>
> To: Adam Williams <awilliam whitemice org>
> Cc: evolution-list <evolution-list gnome org>
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Minor annoyance with scroll wheel
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> On 4 August 2013 22:37, Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam whitemice org> wrote:
>
> > > > > Also, I noticed that scrolling does work when using the touch pad,
> > just
> > > > > not with the mouse.
> >
> > My scroll wheel works in the compose window unless I highlight some
> > text, after that the scroll wheel no longer appears to do anything.
> >
>
> As I mention in my BZ comment, I get the bug independently of text
> selection.
>
> poc
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