Re: [Evolution] Evaluating Evolution- some basic questions

I understand what you are saying about the preview pane being a waste of screen, but likewise, the extra 
windows and the resulting screen and taskbar clutter is what drive me nuts. I suppose it is one of those 
chocolate and vanilla things.

We disagree on the hyphens delimiting the signature. I am currently reading and sending this with my 
blackberry, which doesn't allow for quote trimming, interleaved replies or bottom posting. I hate this format 
and think it is rude, but it is the only access to work email that I have from home. 

One thing I hate -- and it is Outlook driven -- is an email that quotes every word of every previous email in 
the thread, including every signature and every list tag below each signature.  The hyphens, with every 
standards compliant mailer, provide, at minimum automated trimming of that redundant info.

As for MS getting it right with Outlook, if I agreed, I wouldn't be writing to you on this Evolution list. 
Evo is not my favorite MUA, an like all gnome apps IMO, it is not as customizable as it could be, but it is 
my absolute favorite way to access mail on an exchange server.

For me most of Outlooks power is wasted on most people. It is like driving a Hummer to the mall. And along 
with the hummer metaphor, it is a waste of computing resources when it is under-utilized.

But much of this is a matter of taste, and neither right nor wrong. I like Evo the way it is (or as it can be 
once the message count bugs are fixed and libmapi is ready*)

*I am trying to delay our implementation of exchange 2007 until libmapi is reliable. If not, I'll have to 
replace all the Linux boxes that my users now have.

Art Alexion
MIS/Central Office Support
Resources for Human Development

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Sent: Sun Feb 22 08:57:51 2009
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evaluating Evolution- some basic questions

Can't see that either is a "solution."  The preview pane, for me and many others, is nothing but an annoying 
waste of screen real estate.  Most people I know don't care for it.  It should always be a choice but the 
other option just needs a couple tweaks to make it work a little more efficiently and not be speed bump in 
someone's workflow.  

As for the signature standards, I wholly disagree.  Standards in networking protocols, physical interfaces, 
code writing are all necessary and serve a function.  Chaos would result without them.  But adding visible 
characters to the formatting of a document is not a standard that should exist.  When I send out a document I 
don't want something added to it that, to my eyes, appears out of place, distracting, and, were this a 
business communication, unprofessional.  

Say what you like about Microsoft, and believe me I'll join you on most topics, they do actually do some 
things right.  Not a lot, but a few.  Although Outlook has some flaws (what application doesn't?) it works 
exceptionally well at the user level and provides a level of customization that much of the world has become 
accustomed to.  It can't be a mistake that the Evo GUI is quite close to the layout of Outlook.  Telling 
people that "this is the way it is, like it or not" outside of the Windows world is not going to be an 
effective way to gain converts.  

Don't get me wrong, Evolution seems like a great application.  I *want* to find something to replace Outlook 
for both myself and my company.  I just need to make sure that the learning curve is small enough for my 
users to make it worthwhile and that it will work in the way the business needs it to work.  


Cogito, ergo deus non est       

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Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evaluating Evolution- some basic questions
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:24:14 -0500
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I see where the first can be a problem. The solution is a simple as don't open the messages, but read them in 
the preview pane with images turned off. When you want to display the images just for that message, just 
press ctrl+i.

I don't see the second as a problem and don't think evo should abandon standards because they may confuse a 
very few windows users who won't accept the reasonable explanation.

Art Alexion
MIS/Central Office Support
Resources for Human Development

----- Original Message -----
From: evolution-list-bounces gnome org <evolution-list-bounces gnome org>
To: evolution-list gnome org <evolution-list gnome org>
Sent: Sat Feb 21 12:51:35 2009
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evaluating Evolution- some basic questions

On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 12:38 -0500, Rob wrote:
Thanks.  I already had them opening up in new windows.  When I delete
the message, a new window with the next message opens.

You're right.

Drives me absolutely batty.  So really no way to change that
behaviour?  Seems a bit of a risk, especially if image preview is on
and if a web-based image has some malicious code hidden in it......

I agree actually. What I do when I get nervous is close the preview pane
and open the specific message I want. After reaing, I close it and
explicitly open the next one I want to look at.

Also would like the original message to close when I click reply as I
have my Outlook set to do.  Just looking at it from an efficiency
point of view this is already hundreds, maybe more, extra clicks per
day for me given the volume of mail I receive and send.  

I guess I'm just used to it.

Both of these things could be filed in Bugzilla, the first as a
(potential) bug, the second as an enhancement. If you do so, please post
the BZ numbers here.


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