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Re: [Evolution] Why Evo is so ugly?

HI,

Excuse me if I offend somebody but I thin Evo's GUI is so ugly that every time I use it it makes me want to go back to Outlook.
is there anyway to change Evo's theme or to replace that boring gray color?

Jesse

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Moving to Evo from Thunderbird? (James Pifer)
   2. Re:  Moving to Evo from Thunderbird? (Patrick O'Callaghan)
   3. Re:  Moving to Evo from Thunderbird? (Todd Ness)
   4. Re:  Moving to Evo from Thunderbird? (Chris Williams)
   5. Re:  Contact CSV export (Andrew Greig)
   6. Re:  Moving to Evo from Thunderbird? (Caleb Marcus)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:27:18 -0500
From: James Pifer <jep obrien-pifer com>
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
To: Evolution List <evolution-list gnome org>
Message-ID: <1194456438 4918 36 camel storage obrien-pifer com>
Content-Type: text/plain


> 
> I can't be the only exception to this.  I've been using Evo since
> it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu.
> In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times.  My
> initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to
> suffer the most, is that the case?  
> 
> Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a
> Groupwise account.  I guess I just wanted to comment that there are
> cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users.
> 
> --chris

Evo is/was very solid for me. I've been using it for years. I still use
it now on FC7 for all my mailing lists. Only reason I moved to
Thunderbird on another machine is that it runs Vista instead of FC. 

I really only had 2 complaints about EVO. 

1) It did not seem to handle LDAP very well. Our LDAP directory contains
several thousand entries. I believe it was limited to the 1st 1000. I
cannot confirm that, nor can I confirm the EVO version I was running. 

2) I also connected to my corporate mail (Lotus Notes) using IMAP. When
I would delete messages they would "disappear" or become hidden on Evo,
but if I used the Notes client the messages were still in the Inbox. I
also didn't seem to be able to use Folders. Maybe there were settings
that I could have modified this behavior, but I did not see any. 

Thunderbird handles both of these situations a lot better. The trade off
I think, is that Thunderbird is a little bit slower. Good trade off for
me since now I do not have to go back periodically and cleanup my Inbox
with the Notes client.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Evo, and if there was a stable Windows
version I might still be on it. 

My $0.02. 

James



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:37:39 -0400
From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <poc usb ve>
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
To: Chris Williams <chris williams armstrong edu>
Cc: evolution-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1194457069 24461 10 camel bree>
Content-Type: text/plain


On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote:
> > That's very true on my Ubuntu system... Thunderbird is the more stable
> > of the two clients. However, I put up with it.
> > On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:46 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 
> > > Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal
> > > experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same
> > > platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo
> > > nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I
> > > see more problems :-)
> 
> I can't be the only exception to this.  I've been using Evo since
> it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu.
> In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times.  My
> initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to
> suffer the most, is that the case?  

Not for me. I don't have any Exchange accounts.

> Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a
> Groupwise account.  I guess I just wanted to comment that there are
> cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users.

No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for
some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in
all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on
two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages
have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might
mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with
all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds
when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting
the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU
and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!).

On a different note, my junk filters simnply do not work at all (they do
with the distro package). I've tried SA and Bogofilter and they are
never automatically activated (I'm tracking them with a log file).

Tomorrow Fedora 8 will be released so I'll be able to upgrade and
hopefully these issues will go away, but it's annoying to try and stay
up with the latest Evo's only to find some missing funcionality for
reasons that are not clear. Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide
version means installing a large number of additional packages so I
don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide
in the past.

poc



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:59:15 -0700
From: Todd Ness <Todd Ness eds com>
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
To: evolution-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1194458355 4769 7 camel d620 tness net>
Content-Type: text/plain


> 
> Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide
> version means installing a large number of additional packages so I
> don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide
> in the past.
> 
> poc

I think that upgrading only to find new and different problems is
un-settling at best. Also, I am not keen on the fact that evolution is
so dependent on so many other packages, gtk, libsoup, etc. and the only
convenient way to upgrade evolution is to upgrade to a newer version of
your favorite OS. This is the kind of thing that prevents Linux from
making any ground in the enterprise for regular everyday users. Way too
much change and a lack stability. When I get newer versions of Firefox
or Thunderbird I don't have to upgrade my whole OS and should not. Just
a thought don't flame me to death over this it is just a suggestion that
if evolution could stand on it's own on a Linux platform that would sure
help.

And yes there are way more problems with the exchange accounts on
evolution than there are with IMAP or POP accounts. 
Filters are flaky on exchange, the whole exchange backend process dies a
lot. whereas my POP account just keeps working and the filters work for
it as well.

Todd


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:39:07 -0500
From: Chris Williams <chris williams armstrong edu>
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
To: Patrick O'Callaghan <poc usb ve>
Cc: evolution-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1194464347 16935 16 camel phlough>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 13:37 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote:
> > Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a
> > Groupwise account.  I guess I just wanted to comment that there are
> > cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users.
> 
> No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for
> some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in
> all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on
> two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages
> have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might
> mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with
> all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds
> when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting
> the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU
> and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!).

Oh, definitely.  As a (non-Evo) developer, I do value consistency and I
have to agree that I haven't always seen that with this product.  I
certainly didn't meant to imply that Evo has no problems at all.  In
fact, a lot of distro upgrades were solely because of bugs/quirks or
inability to upgrade because of all the Gnome dependencies.  I will
agree that I probably have an extra level of stability through the use
of distro packaging.  I will easily admit I went to distro-only
packaging because of many of the quirks I encountered while using the
"real" releases.

> On a different note, my junk filters simnply do not work at all (they do
> with the distro package). I've tried SA and Bogofilter and they are
> never automatically activated (I'm tracking them with a log file).

I see occasional problems with filters as well, and junk filtering does
seem to work sometimes while not others. Frustrating.

> Tomorrow Fedora 8 will be released so I'll be able to upgrade and
> hopefully these issues will go away, but it's annoying to try and stay
> up with the latest Evo's only to find some missing funcionality for
> reasons that are not clear. Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide
> version means installing a large number of additional packages so I
> don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide
> in the past.

Good luck with the upgrade.  I saw many improvements moving from
Ubuntu's 2.10 to 2.12 packages.

--chris



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:32:04 +1100
From: Andrew Greig <AndrewLGreig netscape net>
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Contact CSV export
To: evolution-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1194467524 4938 9 camel andrew Greigs home>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi,

Caleb Marcus wrote:
>I just googled it, which I know I should have done before I posted to
>the list, and found that I can use the evolution-addressbook-export
>--forrmat=csv command to do it... but it seems to segfault after the
>first contact is exported.
>On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 20:55 -0500, Caleb Marcus wrote:

>> Now that I've got my contacts all set up on Evolution, I'd like to
>> import them into my Gmail account. However, Evolution only seems to
>> be able to export VCard files, and Gmail requires a CSV. Without
>> importing and re-exporting it with something that supports both (like
>> Thunderbird) can I export my contacts as a CSV file to use with
>>Gmail?

I have been following this because achieving a csv file of my
address-book is a desirable outcome. 

I tried this with Evolution open, closed and force-shutdown. Here is the
output:

[root andrew
andrew]# /usr/lib/evolution/2.12/evolution-addressbook-export
--format=csv > contacts.csv

(evolution-addressbook-export:5032): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strv_length:
assertion `str_array != NULL' failed

(evolution-addressbook-export:5032): evolution-addressbook-tools-WARNING
**: Couldn't load addressbook NULL
[root andrew andrew]#

The contacts.csv file is created in the working directory but of course
it is empty. 
Permission denied to run as user.

What have I missed?

Thanks

-- 
Andrew Greig
Community Distributor
OpenOffice.org 
Melbourne, Australia  



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:27:13 -0500
From: Caleb Marcus <caleb marcus gmail com>
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
To: evolution-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1194474433 5497 0 camel caleb-laptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I've had crashes when I only used one POP account, and I'm still getting
crashes with one IMAP account... I should clarify that they're not
complete crashes per se, but times when it hangs for a while and can't
be closed without --force-shutdown.
On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote:

> > That's very true on my Ubuntu system... Thunderbird is the more stable
> > of the two clients. However, I put up with it.
> > On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:46 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 
> > > Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal
> > > experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same
> > > platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo
> > > nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I
> > > see more problems :-)
> 
> I can't be the only exception to this.  I've been using Evo since
> it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu.
> In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times.  My
> initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to
> suffer the most, is that the case?  
> 
> Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a
> Groupwise account.  I guess I just wanted to comment that there are
> cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users.
> 
> --chris
> 
> 
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