Re: [Evolution] Evo 2.6 - adding a 'move' icon

[Ron Johnson <ron l johnson cox net>]

On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 11:36 -0400, George Reeke wrote:
> Dr. Mr. Smith and list,
>    Well, when I click on "Move", a list of my mail folders pops up.
> I scroll to the one I want, then click it and the selected mail
> moves there.  If it's the same as the one I used last time, it is
> already selected.  If I were to drag and drop, where would I drag to?
> There is no destination folder list.   It certainly would not be
> intuitive to use the "On This Computer" list at the left:

Depends on how intuitive you are, I guess!  :)

>                                                            I don't
> want to move to the destination folder, which is what happens if I
> click there.  Besides, even if that is what I am supposed to do,
> I don't feel very comfortable scrolling while dragging and maybe
> dropping the drag at the wrong place.  And don't I have to click
> on the scroll bar to scroll?  Or am I supposed to scroll until
> the destination folder is visible on the list, then drag there
> (moving the mouse back and forth twice instead of once).  That
> seems sort of backwards to me.  So, you see, the Move button is
> much more intuitive.

No.  With mouse-left still pressed and the cursor over the folder
list, just "drag down" (or up, as the case my be).  The folder
list will magically scroll down/up for you.

I'm not that intuitive either, I guess, since I only discovered 
it by accident. 

>    Anyway, I choose never to use drag and drop for anything.  This
> came from some bad experiences in that other operating system, when
> it was never clear whether drop meant move or meant copy.  I find
> it better never to use it at all than always to be unsure about this
> distinction.  Am I supposed to use Ctrl-click to copy or is it the
> other way around?  Maybe this has been standardized now, but I have
> habits that work for me.

That is a very valid point.

>    Paul, this is not directed at you personally (you just asked a
> question, which I tried to answer), but I would like to take this
> opportunity to say this:  I wish everybody would stop trying to
> tell everybody else how to use their computers.  Call me whatever you
> want, I believe this is a legitimate choice for me.  I am used to it,
> it works, it is simple, it doesn't hurt anything, so why should it
> arbitrarily be taken away?  Others are welcome to drag and drop if
> that works for them, I really don't care.  I also realize developers
> cannot add every gizmo that anybody ever asks for, but in this case
> we are talking about taking away a gizmo that has always been there.
> Presumably, it took some active work to remove it.
>    (BTW, I do know what the kleenex box does, I was being a little
> rhetorical in my original post, so please don't bother explaining
> it to me.)
>    Sincerely
>    George Reeke
>
>
> On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 11:40 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
> > %% George Reeke <reeke mail rockefeller edu> writes:
> >
> >   gr> One person's "not useful" is another person's "essential."  The
> >   gr> answer is to make the toolbar configurable, as I have requested in
> >   gr> an earlier posting and have filed on the official feature-request
> >   gr> list.  Developers: I hope you are listening.  I am one of those
> >   gr> who consider "Move" and "Copy" essential, but would gladly get rid
> >   gr> of those unlabelled buttons like the one that looks like a box of
> >   gr> Kleenex that does who-knows-what.
> >
> > I don't disagree with what you're saying about configurability.
> > However, I am curious as to why drag-n-drop doesn't meet your needs,
> > such that a "Move" button is considered essential.
> >
> > Cheers!
>
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