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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP (Ettore Perazzoli)
   2. Re: Lost Contacts in 1.4.3 (Ettore Perazzoli)
   3. Re: Duplicates removal (Denis O. Mikhalkin)
   4. Re: Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP (Owen Barder)
   5. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Ettore Perazzoli)
   6. UI Selection in the new version. (Matthew A. R. Sherian)
   7. Re: Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP (Ettore Perazzoli)
   8. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Mike Kestner)
   9. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Itzchak Rehberg)
  10. Re: Evolution Default Browser (rfoster columco com)
  11. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Ettore Perazzoli)
  12. Re: Evolution Default Browser (Ettore Perazzoli)
  13. Re: Evolution Default Browser (D. D. Brierton)
  14. Re: UI Selection in the new version. (Ettore Perazzoli)
  15. Re: How do I keep message list from resorting? (Stuart Luppescu)

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Message: 1
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP
From: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
To: Owen Barder <owen serpentine org uk>
Cc: Jeffrey Stedfast <fejj ximian com>, evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:30:10 -0400

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:19, Owen Barder wrote:

This is definitely something I would find useful, if you could put it on
to the "To Do" list for the next release.


For 2.0 we are should probably change the offline behavior so that it
starts caching all the messages in the background when you connect so
you have a copy of all messages at all times.  Michael also had some
neat ideas about providing configurable filters to decide what gets
cached...

This was mentioned either here or on the hackers list (I forget which
right now).

-- Ettore

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Message: 2
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Lost Contacts in 1.4.3
From: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
To: Geoff Steer <gsteer firstwave com au>
Cc: evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:33:14 -0400

On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:01, Geoff Steer wrote:

I've recently upgrade from 1.2 to 1.4.3. At the same time, I've upgraded
from RH7.3 to RH9.
I can see the contacts when I select the Contacts Icon, all the data is
present and correct.
When create a new mail and try to select a contact, the addres list
popup appears but is blank. If I type the first few characters of the
email address I'm looking for, it does appear in the address line (To:
CC: etc)
There is no error message shown when this happens
None of the many suggestions for recovery address book contacts seem to
have any effect.


Can you try re-setting the default contact folders in the configuration
dialog?  That should fix it.

-- Ettore

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Message: 3
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Duplicates removal
From: "Denis O. Mikhalkin" <dom sparc spb su>
To: Jeffrey Stedfast <fejj ximian com>
Cc: evolution lists ximian com
Organization: Elbrus/MCST
Date: 23 Jul 2003 19:40:24 +0400

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:10, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:56, Denis O. Mikhalkin wrote:

Hi,

is there a way to set up Evolution to remove duplicate messages in a
folder?


no


 If not, can I propose such a feature?


it's been proposed multiple times, the problem is how to do it without
risking losing some of the users mail.

- Message-Id headers are not guarenteed to be unique and so we can't
base duplicate message deletion on that

- We can't just compare headers either as mailing-list software will
often munge some ehaders and maybe even add a few of its own.

- We can't just compare the message body either, as mailing lists often
add their own footer. Might be possible to auto-detect these footers
when they are added to a text/plain body part, however I'm not sure it'd
be so easy if the message was a multipart. Some mailing-list software
actually correctly adds the signature as its own MIME part, some just
append the signature no matter what (so in the case of a multipart - the
signature becomes the multipart's postface)

could probably be done, but it would be a painfully slow operation
(comparing large bodies of text is just gonna be slow...)

or maybe we could strip the mailing-list signature and md5sum it and
cache that value...? even so, it seems like a lot of effort. when do we
remove th md5sum from the cache? never? when the message it belongs to
gets deleted? expunged? if never, that cache will get massive quickly
for some of us... if you remove md5sums when their message gets deleted,
this makes the backend significantly more complex :-(

the other issue that needs to be dealt with is that if you see
"downloading 200 messages" and all 200 are the exact same mail that you
already have downloaded, wouldn't you be a little frightened that you
lost mail if after the download completes, you have no new mail? most
people would probably freak out and think evo 'ate' their mail.

I suppose the easiest way to solve this would be to make it a menu item
to run manually...

Thoughts:
- surely it shouldn't be automatic, manual, with short-cut.

- the algorithm should be working that way so it doesn't delete
different messages. But if he misses some duplicates it is ok. It might
be based on headers I think, no body comparision is needed. If header is
changed - ok, we miss some duplicates.

- there is already successul implementation used by big number of users,
TheBat, which has "Kill Duplicates" action on folder. May be you can
just "import" the algorithm from it? It is described in its help system
in details. I was using it for a long time and I was satisfied on its
success/miss ratio.

Denis



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:34:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP
From: "Owen Barder" <owen serpentine org uk>
To: "Ettore Perazzoli" <ettore ximian com>
Cc: "Owen Barder" <owen serpentine org uk>,
"Jeffrey Stedfast" <fejj ximian com>, evolution lists ximian com

Ettore

That sounds perfect!

When is 2.0 expected?

Owen


On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:19, Owen Barder wrote:

This is definitely something I would find useful, if you could put it

on

to the "To Do" list for the next release.


For 2.0 we are should probably change the offline behavior so that it
starts caching all the messages in the background when you connect so
you have a copy of all messages at all times.  Michael also had some
neat ideas about providing configurable filters to decide what gets
cached...

This was mentioned either here or on the hackers list (I forget which
right now).

-- Ettore





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Message: 5
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser
From: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
To: guenther <guenther rudersport de>
Cc: evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:40:02 -0400

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:25, guenther wrote:

Well, what about at least a button to launch the capplet?


Where would the button go exactly?  I'd rather not have the clutter.

The main problem, as I see it, is with non-GNOME users...  Maybe in that
case we should auto-detect what desktop the user is running under and
launch the appropriate browser?

(However, I don't know how hard it is for a GNOME app to figure out e.g.
what browser KDE is configured to use.  If we can just launch an
executable that Does The Right Thing then it's trivial to do.)

-- Ettore

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Message: 6
From: "Matthew A. R. Sherian" <mars mars-tmc hq themunicenter com>
To: evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:49:05 -0400
Subject: [Evolution] UI Selection in the new version.

Are we, the users, going to be forced to use the new "Entourage"
interface or will we have the option of maintaining the Classic
"Outlook" style.

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Message: 7
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Re: working offline / headers only / IMAP
From: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
To: Owen Barder <owen serpentine org uk>
Cc: Jeffrey Stedfast <fejj ximian com>, evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:51:37 -0400

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:34, Owen Barder wrote:

Ettore

That sounds perfect!

When is 2.0 expected?


We don't know yet.  :-)  Lots of ideas so far, but not a specific plan
we are committing to.

-- Ettore

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Message: 8
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser
From: Mike Kestner <mkestner ximian com>
To: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
Cc: guenther <guenther rudersport de>, evolution lists ximian com
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:01:28 -0500

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 10:40, Ettore Perazzoli wrote:


(However, I don't know how hard it is for a GNOME app to figure out e.g.
what browser KDE is configured to use.  If we can just launch an
executable that Does The Right Thing then it's trivial to do.)


Doing this on an app-by-app basis is wrong.

These types of issues should be referred to the freedesktop.org lists.
I'm sure they already understand the need for cross-desktop global
config settings like this, but if they saw how often this question comes
up here, they might be inclined to raise the priority of a solution.

--
Mike Kestner <mkestner ximian com>


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Message: 9
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser
From: Itzchak Rehberg <izzysoft qumran org>
To: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
Cc: guenther <guenther rudersport de>,
"D. D. Brierton" <darren dzr-web com>, evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 18:04:13 +0200


AFAIK it is even planned to offer a Settings UI within Evolution to
change default browser (options: "Gnome default" with ability to

launch

the capplet; custom browser). Don't remember bugzilla number, though,

if

it really is filed.

Actually, I don't think that's a good idea...  The settings in the
desktop should suffice.
The issues people are having should be fixed in the desktop, instead of
being worked around in Evolution.


Ettore, I would agree to you in most points. But there are several
things to consider the same time:

1) people may want to use different settings for Evolution alone
2) people may not be able to use all the settings from Gnome(2) CC

The latter especially applies to those using Evo with KDE3. They a) had
to install Gnome2 CC just for some little changes for Evo, and sometimes
those changes don't even work (see previous postings from me concerning
font problems).

So in fact, this would be a really "nice-to-have" for some settings like
fonts and - maybe - the browser issue. Of course it should not cover
themes and all those other stuff :-)

Izzy.

--
Itzchak Rehberg
http://www.qumran.org/homes/izzy/
http://www.izzysoft.de/
"We have joy, we have fun, we boot Linux on our SUN..."


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Message: 10
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser
To: evolution lists ximian com
From: rfoster columco com
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:04:42 -0700


<Heresy>

How about a KDE version?

</Heresy>

name withheld to protect the innocent


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Message: 11
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser
From: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
To: Mike Kestner <mkestner ximian com>
Cc: guenther <guenther rudersport de>, evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 12:11:36 -0400

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 12:01, Mike Kestner wrote:

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 10:40, Ettore Perazzoli wrote:

(However, I don't know how hard it is for a GNOME app to figure out

e.g.

what browser KDE is configured to use.  If we can just launch an
executable that Does The Right Thing then it's trivial to do.)


Doing this on an app-by-app basis is wrong.


I agree.  However, it would make people happy until we have a common
standard to use...


These types of issues should be referred to the freedesktop.org lists.
I'm sure they already understand the need for cross-desktop global
config settings like this, but if they saw how often this question comes
up here, they might be inclined to raise the priority of a solution.


Yes.  I am pretty sure this has been discussed before, however there is
no spec at this point (that I know of anyways) so I am fine with having
a workaround for now.  These things take time.  :-)

-- Ettore

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Message: 12
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser
From: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
To: Itzchak Rehberg <izzysoft qumran org>
Cc: guenther <guenther rudersport de>,
"D. D. Brierton" <darren dzr-web com>, evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 12:16:52 -0400

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 12:04, Itzchak Rehberg wrote:

1) people may want to use different settings for Evolution alone


Why?  I don't think that's a common enough case to be worth the hassle.


2) people may not be able to use all the settings from Gnome(2) CC

The latter especially applies to those using Evo with KDE3. They a) had
to install Gnome2 CC just for some little changes for Evo, and sometimes
those changes don't even work (see previous postings from me concerning
font problems).


Yeah, in this case it looks like a desktop integration issue to me.
GNOME apps and KDE apps should just be sharing the same set of font
settings...  Actually I thought at this point they already did, through
the XSETTINGS stuff?

http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/xsettings-spec/

(I didn't actually read all your posts, I have been drowning in mail for
a couple weeks...  Sorry if I am missing the point.  :-))

-- Ettore

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Message: 13
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution Default Browser
From: "D. D. Brierton" <darren dzr-web com>
To: evolution lists ximian com
Organization: DZR Web Development
Date: 23 Jul 2003 17:19:30 +0100

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 17:04, Itzchak Rehberg wrote:


Ettore, I would agree to you in most points. But there are several
things to consider the same time:

1) people may want to use different settings for Evolution alone
2) people may not be able to use all the settings from Gnome(2) CC

The latter especially applies to those using Evo with KDE3. They a) had
to install Gnome2 CC just for some little changes for Evo, and sometimes
those changes don't even work (see previous postings from me concerning
font problems).

So in fact, this would be a really "nice-to-have" for some settings like
fonts and - maybe - the browser issue. Of course it should not cover
themes and all those other stuff :-)


I honestly think this is better solved by going to the root of the
problem - the different configuration systems used by the various
desktops. I think it would be much more productive to support
freedesktop.org's efforts in unifying some of these settings across
desktops (e.g. preferred fonts, preferred browser) than by adding hacky
workarounds to Evolution.

Best, Darren

--
=====================================================================
D. D. Brierton            darren dzr-web com          www.dzr-web.com
       Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson)
=====================================================================


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Message: 14
Subject: Re: [Evolution] UI Selection in the new version.
From: Ettore Perazzoli <ettore ximian com>
To: "Matthew A. R. Sherian" <mars mars-tmc hq themunicenter com>
Cc: evolution lists ximian com
Date: 23 Jul 2003 12:22:20 -0400

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:49, Matthew A. R. Sherian wrote:

Are we, the users, going to be forced to use the new "Entourage"
interface or will we have the option of maintaining the Classic
"Outlook" style.


Nobody will be "forced" in the sense that we wouldn't be putting a gun
to your head to use it.  :-)

But yeah, if we go with the new architecture, there won't be a way to
switch back to the old way.

-- Ettore

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Message: 15
Subject: Re: [Evolution] How do I keep message list from resorting?
From: Stuart Luppescu <s-luppescu uchicago edu>
Reply-To: s-luppescu uchicago edu
To: evolution lists ximian com
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: 23 Jul 2003 11:47:18 -0500


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On ?? 2003-07-23 at 10:27, Stuart Luppescu wrote:

I was very happy when the message list stopped automatically resorting
when I upgraded to 1.2, but one folder still does it. Each time I delete
a message, everything resorts and I have to relocate the highlight to
the top of the unread messages. It's a royal pain. I looked in
~/evolution/config.xmldb, but I could find anything special about the
one folder that still resorts. Can someone PLEASE tell me where to set
this?


Never mind. I think I solved this. I had View -> Current View set to
some custom view. When I reset it to Messages, this annoying behavior
went away.

This must be another corollary to Murphy's (?) Law: The minute after you
post a message to a list asking a question you find the answer yourself.
(Very similar to the law that states, ``The day after you throw
something away (or delete a mail message) after keeping it for years
that's when you discover you really needed it.'')
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