Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:01:54 -0500
To: <ray sacherer com>, "Adam Sleight" <adams linearcorp com>
From: "Erick Woods" <erick erick com>
Subject: Re: [Evolution] options on download
This option is default behavior on handheld pc's (running WinCE and
Outlook). You get headers, optionally get messages or first N kilobytes
of
messages and can download attachments after view messages. Should be
doable
from Evolution and might be a good idea...
E
----- Original Message -----
From: <ray sacherer com>
To: Adam Sleight <adams linearcorp com>
Cc: Ron Chmara <ron opus1 com>; John Griffiths <john capmon com>;
<evolution helixcode com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Evolution] options on download
IMHO it would be great to have a "slow connection option". so that you
first download only the headers of the messages, than you see the sizes
and from whom and what it is, than you mark the messages, you want to
download...
best regards
Ray
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Adam Sleight wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:12:25 -0700
Ron Chmara <ron Opus1 COM> wrote:
#John Griffiths wrote:
#> allow me to illustrate;
#> i receive about 300 messages a day of which maybe 10% will have
500kb+
pdf
#files attached to them
#> at home i'm on a 28kbs line
#> if evolution insists on downloading the entirety of every message i
will be
#forced with great sadness to look elsewhere for an email client. It's
just not
#an option for me.
#> people like me may be a small part of your prospective user group.
#> but do you really want to lose all of us?
#>
#> At 11:28 PM 6/1/2000 EDT, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
#> >No...
#> >I can picture it now...
#> >"Why is my message truncated!?! Bug in Evolution!!!"
#> >this wouldn't be a good thing :)
#> >Jeff
#
#My dos centavos...
#
#Standard (default)for POP3:
#Download all of the message block, with an option to stop the
#current message download, with a follow up dialog (DO you wish to
#cancel entire session?). Put stop buttons in the progress window.
#List overall size, and use a proportional (by size) progress bar.
#
#Cool POP3 _options_:
#Offer a "first 10K only" preference. I have to respectfully disagree
that
#stopping a sesion and starting a new one is too inefficient, it is
much,
much,
#more efficient than downloading a 30Mb mailbox. Yes, I can (and do)
get
#30Mb of mail in one day. On a modem, it takes a while.
POP3 is very limited in what it can do...here's my limited
understanding..
--it can't read status flags...such as new, deleted, flagged, etc.
--it can only pull messages from the INBOX and can't read from any
other
folders
anyway been playing around with it...looking at p.148 of Programming
Internet
Email about POP... here's the valid commands for a POP session
btw..anyone know what the XTND and XMIT commands are for?
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progintemail/
STAT--Request that the server send a drop listing of the mailbox
LIST <msg#>--Requests that the server to send a scan listing of all
messages or
of just the message given
RETR <msg#>--REquests that the server send the message indicated.
DELE <msg#>--Requests that the server delete the message indicated.
NOOP--Does nothing (no operation).
RSET--Unmarks any messages marked for deletion.
QUIT--Informs the server that the client is closing the session.
Requests
that
any messages marked for deletion be deleted.
Optional commands
TOP <msg#><#of lines>--Requests that the server send the headers and
the
first n
lines of the message indicated.
UIDL <msg#>--Requests that the server send a unique-id for the message
indicated
or for all messages in the mailbox if no argument is given.
So it may or may not be possible (I wouldn't know). I played around
with
the
TOP command like
TOP 1 6 TOP 2 6 TOP 3 6
which shows the headers of messages 1, 2, and 3 and the first 6 lines
of
the
message.
Perhaps in Evolution one could choose the # of lines to scan and even
filter out
the full headers and only show FROM, To, Cc, Bcc, Subject, etc.
Now once you retrieve that information perhaps it could scan for
attachments....or simply the LIST command would provide the bytes of
each
message. Then anything over 9999 bytes would not be retrieved RETR
until
an
option in Evolution said allow downloading of whatever size messages.
And
the
messages that weren't downloaded (too big) would be issued a RSET
command
so
they wouldn't be deleted.
Below #6 is around 270KB and #8 is around 44KB...so it would go like so
(as you can see LIST shows message # with bytes in each message)
LIST
+OK 15 messages
1 2418
2 1338
3 2762
4 6952
5 1102
6 274522
7 1943
8 45456
9 3714
10 3269
11 4106
12 2495
13 2818
14 6815
15 1947
.
parse the LIST info and retrieve all except #6 and #8
RETR 1 RETR 2 RETR 3 RETR 4 RETR 5 RETR 7 RETR 9 RETR 10 RETR 11 RETR
12
RETR 13
RETR 14 RETR 15
RSET 6
RSET 8
I have no idea if this works...let's say after 13 messages are
retrieved
is #6
and #8 renamed to #1 and #2 and if so then perhaps that's where the
UDIL
command
might come in handy.
Are they're any clients that can do this now? I use IMAP so wouldn't
have
a
clue.
LAST (the LAST command allows the Leave on Server option for messages)
+OK 15 is last seen
+OK Valid commands: QUIT, NOOP, STAT, LIST, UIDL, DELE, RSET, RETR,
TOP,
LAST,
XTND XMIT, HELP
here's the logs from my mail server with a POP session.
POP Connection request from [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx], socket=12
got connection on [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
out: +OK POP3 Server 3.3b1 ready
inp: USER johnny
out: +OK please send the PASS\r\n
inp: PASS whoknows
out: +OK 17 messages in queue\r\n
inp: STAT
out: +OK 17 378128\r\n
inp: LIST
out: +OK 17 messages\r\n1 2418\r\n2 1338\r\n3 2762\r\n4 6952\r\n5
1102\r\n6
274522\r\n7 1943\r\n8 45456\r\n9 3714\r\n10 3269\r\n11 4106\r\n12
2495\r\n13
2818\r
inp: UIDL
out: +OK 17 messages\r\n1 1350\r\n2 1437\r\n3 1458\r\n4 1484\r\n5
1487\r\n6
1497\r\n7 1502\r\n8 1503\r\n9 1505\r\n10 1512\r\n11 1516\r\n12
1518\r\n13
1521\r\n1
inp: RETR 16
out: +OK message follows\r\n
15 {1536} retrieved, 1868 bytes
inp: RETR 17
out: +OK message follows\r\n
22:32:07.07 2 POP-07536([216.103.9.240]) 16 {1537} retrieved, 14609
bytes
inp: QUIT
disconnecting
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snipped from
http://www.imap.org/papers/imap.vs.pop.brief.html
IMAP has constructs to permit online performance optimization,
especially
over
low-speed links. These include the ability to fetch the structure of a
message
without downloading it, to selectively fetch individual message parts,
and
the
ability to use the server for searching in order to minimize data
transfer
between client and server.
Especially when connecting to a mail server via low-bandwidth lines, it
is
useful to be able to defer transferring messages or parts of messages
that
are
not of immediate interest until a more propitious time. With multimedia
or
multipart MIME messages, transferring selected parts of a message can
be a
huge
advantage, as when one is in a hotel room and has just received a short
text
message with a 10MB video clip attached. Efficient processing of MIME
messages
is a significant advantage of IMAP over POP. (MIME stands for
Multipurpose
Internet Mail Extensions. It is the Internet standard method for
sending
arbitrary files as attachments to SMTP and RFC-822 compatible Internet
mail
messages.)
---end of snip----
