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Actually, the user can most certainly draw outside
the margins as well as the page borders. That's the whole
problem. If on the other hand, one cannot draw outside margins, as was pointed out, because they don't exist on the canvas, that would be entirely different. In that case, one might like to see such a simple sentence in the help section. Maybe something like "It is impossible to draw outside margins because they do not exist on the canvas". And maybe "Only page breaks are shown". Of course that leaves the odd behavior of minus so many units of measure to the left and top. That is where it is useless regardless of any of the rest of it. The program cannot properly show "full page", zoom to margin width, zoom to page width or zoom to two page view, based upon the chosen page size and type. Remember that one's ability to zoom in Dia is restricted by the viewer's expectations of what they are seeing on the canvas. If the canvas has no relationship to standard practices, it remains counter-productive to the process. One can possibly learn to work around it, but it isn't easy. Also, I could find no directions on how to set the rulers to inches. Most things I've read say that is not possible. Further, what is a "segmented plot"? I don't have a plotter, so does that help me on my printer? The fact remains that Dia, although very useful, has a non-standard way of addressing pages. It forces users into doing things in a manner different from thirty years of practice. Thanks. On 07/21/2011 08:00 AM, dia-list-request gnome org wrote: Send dia-list mailing list submissions to dia-list gnome org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dia-list-request gnome org You can reach the person managing the list at dia-list-owner gnome org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of dia-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Margins (Tech Support Department) 2. Dia for Mac OSX 10.5 (Luke Wyman) 3. Cannot save on harddrive and retrieve? (Pieter Henning) 4. Re: Margins (Michael Ross) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:43:42 -0400 From: Tech Support Department <tech frontrowcomputer com> To: dia-list gnome org Subject: Margins Message-ID: <4E208A5E 6030602 frontrowcomputer com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/attachments/20110715/b2a28ffa/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 02:17:16 -0700 From: Luke Wyman <ebugle mac com> To: dia-list gnome org Cc: Luke Wyman <ebugle mac com> Subject: Dia for Mac OSX 10.5 Message-ID: <67ADC1E9-C569-4CFB-91F2-94E81F4003A0 mac com> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I currently only have up to 10.5 installed on my computer but the only download available for Mac OSX is for 10.6. Is there any other download available for the mac that's compatible with what I have? Thank you for your time. -Luke ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:42:24 +0200 From: "Pieter Henning" <phenning axxess co za> To: <dia-list gnome org> Subject: Cannot save on harddrive and retrieve? Message-ID: <000001cc464b$fcc433b0$f64c9b10$ co za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi I create the diagram then I save it but when I go to my h/dice wanting to copy on cd it does not allow me it ask me with what program I have used word ,exel,wordpad etc no luck can you help What has happened i developed the diagrams on a pc at work but i can export it or copy it so I can use or work on it at home Thanks hope you can help Regards Pieter South Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/attachments/20110719/d805b287/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 840 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/attachments/20110719/d805b287/attachment.gif> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:49:11 -0400 From: Michael Ross <michael e ross gmail com> To: discussions about usage and development of dia <dia-list gnome org> Subject: Re: Margins Message-ID: <CANNQeoJv3D6n+Gm=nHXm8vLzmfgJ4xmCsVbj4XpnYUkCko38yw mail gmail com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How can a person know if they are staying within the margins? Actually can't draw outside the margins - isn't that odd? A bit of a paradigm shift. The page breaks show how the Dia will be divided up if you cover many sheets. The margins are not printed, so they are not shown. If you wish to keep the Dia on one sheet work within the page break lines of one rectangle. Do this by scaling and zooming. You can experiment with this and prove it to yourself: Set the page to Letter (8.5x11 inches). Set the margins to 0.5 on all four sides. The page breaks will be 7.5" x 10". 8.5 minus 2 1/2" margins across the width and 11" minus 2 1/2" margins from top to bottom. The ruler will be in cm if you don't set it otherwise. You can vonvert the cm to inchaes and it will work out. If you change the page scale the ruler will be different. Make it 100% to see the correct dimensions. I just did this and I get a ruler that shows roughly 19cm wide by 26 cm high. 19 x 0.3937 = 7.467 26 x 0.3937 = 10.23 You can actually ignore the page breaks entirely until you want to print, then scale and marginate until you are happy with it. What is surprising is that for Dia a segmented plot is easy - almost the default unless you work to avoid it. There you have it. M On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Tech Support Department < tech frontrowcomputer com> wrote:** In the preferences settings, there is a place to set page break colors. It is set as a dark blue, which is assumed to be the dark blue lines on the canvas. However, there is no visual relationship between the settings of margins in the page setup with the displayed lines. If the user sets the margins at .500 inches, then the display does not show them. How can a person know if they are staying within the margins? _______________________________________________ dia-list mailing list dia-list gnome org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia |
