Re: Thoughs about communication

Thanks ebassi. I mostly agree with your reply, but there were a few points
I'd like to raise in response (not that it changes my argument, just hoping to
make my concerns clear).

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 01:32:18PM +0000, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
Considering the state of Telepathy, this is not at all a blocker.
Actually, it may very well be the push needed to phase it out from our

My point was less about Telepathy specifically and more about general access
to the platform using GNOME services. And as poor Telepathy's current state
is, it's the only technology we have separating us from the wilderness of a
separate application for every single chat platform (besides Pidgin, but
that's a worse alternative in many respects).

If you can use a browser with HTTPS then you're likely going to be
able to use IRC on a web form, or better user experiences.

If you cannot access anything outside of IRC then you're living in a
severely constrained network, managed by someone who doesn't really
want you to join online communities, and IRC is just a way to work
around those cases. Some platforms, like Slack, do offer IRC bridges
as well, in any case, with degraded functionality.

Either that, or you're running a configuration that Some Browser doesn't agree
with (for almost five releases running Firefox does racy rendering stuff that
gets tripped up on my hardware -- Telepathy clients tend to be immune to
frequent browser bugs). Or you're using a laptop, on which Some Browser takes
a significant toll on battery life even if you're just using it for a trivial
chat web app. Or maybe (for whatever reason) you're limited to communicating
on a toaster oven which doesn't have the horsepower for Some Browser.

Not that any of that is particularly relevant in the context of a Matrix
bridge, but there are all sorts of reasons (with varying degrees of validity
;) that people would be locked out of (or in the least have hindered access to)
a browser-only chat platform.

Just because you found yourself happy with IRC it does not imply IRC
is without fault, or without features that are, indeed, required by
other people.

If it doesn't cost you anything to stay on IRC while other people move
to different standards — assuming there's a bridge, at the very least
as a transition mechanism — then asking "what is the cost" is just
stop energy.

I had interpreted the email originally posted to this list to be discussing
possible *replacements* for IRC going into the future. In that context, I
don't think it's fair to label valid concerns as 'stop energy'. Like I said,
the Matrix bridge plan is sensible. My reservations regard the idea of using
it as a transition technology with the goal of phasing out GimpNet operations
in the future.

Yes, IRC is my preferred platform. And, absolutely, it follows that I have
some bias. But that shouldn't disqualify from consideration the benefits of
having a simple, flexible system; one that serves many of its required
purposes extremely effectively.


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