Re: Thoughs about communication

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 08:37:30AM +0000, Alberto Fanjul Alonso wrote:
Hi, hackers

Do anybody though about trying new services for communication?

- signal
- telegram
- gitter

None of these platforms have an official Telepathy protocol implementation.
That people will have a lessened ability to access chat already seems like a

pros/cons irc:

- is widespread
- integrated in gnome environment (bots, bugzilla)

I would argue these two features are critical to any prospective chat
platform. If people can't access chat in a way that suits their workflow, they
probably won't. And it'd be a step backwards if automation suddenly became a
stumbling block.

In terms of universality, the only chat platform rivalling IRC (that I can
think of, at least) is XMPP. I don't know enough about it to seriously
recommend it, though; does it support the requested features?

Solutions by new technology:
- gitter can deal with integration

So can IRC, thanks to an easy-to-parse protocol and an abundance of libraries.
XMPP, too, has quite a few libs available.

an syntax highlight

Is syntax highlighting done in the browser, or baked into the protocol? I'm
going to go out on a limb and assume it's the former. For many people (myself
included), web chat is a non-starter. Assuming others in the community
feel the same, is there any point moving to a new platform for extra features
that many won't be able to use?

- telegram has programmable bots

Again, not unique to Telegram/Gitter.

- signal is aware of privacy

What does this mean? If the plan is that public chats are logged, is there any
room for privacy considerations? I'm probably misunderstanding, but being
privacy-aware seems moot in this instance.

- can be bridged to gimpnet in full two-way communication

I find this the most convincing argument, but if we're just going to keep
using IRC anyway then is it worth the cost? That question isn't (entirely)
rhetorical; it might be, but the benefit isn't immediately obvious to me.

- All can deal with multimedia

See above re syntax highlighting.

Is there any chance to adopt one of this technologies?

I would argue that positioning to replace IRC is unnecessarily extreme. IRC
has a great deal of momentum for a very good reason: plain text is *really*
easy to work with. I think it's an unreasonable position to think that GNOME
should untether itself from a tool that does its job extremely well (by the
criteria of accessibility and flexibility). Alternate chat services may have a
place alongside IRC, but that raises the question as to whether it's
appropriate to splinter discussions across yet more platforms.

The proposal for a IRC bridge with Matrix strikes me as the most sensible and
potentially an interesting experiment, but I have doubts wrt its adoption.


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