Re: Request for removing clutter in current form

["Jason D. Clinton" <me jasonclinton com>]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Jud Craft <craftjml gmail com> wrote:

Don't forget that the composited desktop itself on Linux still has
some inherent flaws.

Like that whole "video garbage" thing, that still shows glitches in
OpenOffice even on Fedora 11 on an Intel 965, and leaves KDE out in
the cold.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/254468
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170462

This has been fixed for quite some time including on KDE so "out in the cold" would be false hyperbole.

Or that you run into problems on some intel cards with 3D composited
desktops and multimonitor setups.  (Due to the 2048x2048 problem).  Or
glitches in TV output.

I believe that Owen Taylor, the lead developer of GNOME Shell, is doing his development on an older Intel card with exactly this texture size limitation without any issues.

 

Or that UXA is still undergoing stabilization.

UXA has been considered stable since at least Intel 2.5.0. There have been three point releases since then. There have been other issues but 2.8.0 is rock-solid.
 

There are many potential hurdles besides mere drivers with a
composited desktop on Linux.

What are they? Drivers and LTSP are the only two that have been raised and both have been addressed in previous discussions on d-d-l.

 

I will enjoy trying the composited GNOME Shell myself.  But I'm
expecting the first real release that hits users (in Ubuntu and
Fedora) to have all the polish of a KDE 4.0.x.  There's no way the
myriad plethora of subtle Linux bugs in desktop composition can be
fixed in time.

As an aside, can accelerated Clutter UI still work outside of a
composited X server?

Yes, Gnometris in GNOME Games 2.27.92 and libchamplain (contacts on a map) in Empathy 2.27.92, both of which use a Clutter UI, work just fine outside of a compositor. GNOME Shell+mutter *is* a compositor, though.

I am curious where you got all your mis-information. If you could, could you pass along these answers to wherever it is that you heard all of this incorrect information? Doing so will help us nip some of this hysteria in the bud.