Re: WebKit and GNOME

[Maciej Stachowiak <mjs apple com>]

On Apr 2, 2008, at 1:51 PM, T.V Raman wrote:

> We inject the ARIA markup and other enhancements as needed from
> the core Reader product.
>
> Most of these attributes are added at runtime, not in static
> markup, since Reader is a very dynamic Web Application -- it's
> *not* a document.
>
> Also, in general, we will only emit ARIA markup to clients that
> are capable of using the enhancements; it would be silly to ship
> extra bytes to a browser that is going to throw it away.

Is that true even for the special ARIA-enhanced version, which you  
have to use a hidden link to get to? Could I ask you to reconsider  
this policy? It will make it difficult to test new ARIA-supporting  
browsers against Google Reader, and would make it difficult for them  
to support ARIA in Google Reader until it updates.

In particular, when ARIA support becomes available in Safari/WebKit,  
we'd love to be able to use Google Reader as one of our test cases,  
and to have users able to use it right away. But based on what you  
say, it sounds like that won't work until Google makes a change on the  
server side.

Cheers,
Maciej

> David Bolter writes:
> > Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> > > On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:14 AM, David Bolter wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Maciej,
> > > >
> > > > Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 1, 2008, at 12:13 PM, David Bolter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Maciej,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks very much for providing this information. I have a brief
> > > > > > comment about your accessibility section below:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This wording "Sometimes ARIA is mentioned in the context of
> > > > > > accessibility - this is an interesting technology for future web
> > > > > > apps" doesn't seem quite right to me. ARIA enabled browsers such
> > > > > > as  Firefox provide access to ARIA enabled DHTML applications
> > > > > > today.  Opera and IE8 are adding support today. Google is putting
> > > > > > ARIA into  its web applications.
> > > > > So far as I know, there isn't any major web app yet that is
> > > > > already  using ARIA. I would appreciate correction on this front  
> > > > > if
> > > > > I have  missed anything.
> > > > Sure. I'm not sure what classifies as a major web app, but how  
> > > > about
> > > > google reader?
> > > > http://www.google.com/reader/view/?ui=axs
> > >
> > > I did find Google Reader in the FAQ just now, but it took me a while
> > > to find the ARIA-enhanced version, since the main version does not
> > > have ARIA markup and just has an invisible link. I'm looking right  
> > > now
> > > for actual signs of ARIA markup in the axs version using the live  
> > > DOM
> > > view of the Safari web inspector, I can't seem to find any elements
> > > with aria-* attributes on them. Can anyone help me figure out  
> > > where to
> > > look?
> >
> > You can see aria- markup in the html view of Firebug on FF.  Here's a
> > screenshot:
> > http://david-bolters-computer.local/workspace/exploratory/google-reader-aria.png
> >
> > (I squished the window to waste less bits)
> >
> > In this example the body has the aria-activedescendent specified. I
> > imagine Google might be injecting the aria markup (via AxsJax) so  
> > I'm no
> > sure what to expect on Safari. I tried using Drosera on Webkit but
> > didn't see the markup there either. Maybe Charles or T.V. will  
> > chime in :)
> >
> > cheers,
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > > (In-the-wild use of ARIA is important for us for prioritization, and
> > > eventually testing, which is why I'd like to know about it.)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Maciej
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > desktop-devel-list mailing list
> > > desktop-devel-list gnome org
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dev-accessibility mailing list
> > dev-accessibility lists mozilla org
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-accessibility
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> --raman
>
> Title:  Research Scientist
> Email:  raman google com
> WWW:    http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/
> Google: tv+raman
> GTalk:  raman google com, tv raman tv gmail com
> PGP:    http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc