Re: roadmap status update/update request
- From: "Eugenia Loli-Queru" <eloli hotmail com>
- To: desktop-devel-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: roadmap status update/update request
- Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:21:30 -0800
Rob, I don't know if you are representing the Gnome Project with your reply,
but if you are (you are a Gnome developer anyway so I take it you have
reasons to write what you wrote), here's my response to you, Havoc and the
A feature will be implemented if and only if there is a developer who wants
to implement it, regardless of the number of votes it's received.
Which is exactly why open source software will never replace commercial
software or Microsoft.
Without market research to find out what "people want" you are codemning
your software to be "the software of its developers" instead of the
"software of the people". It is a short-sighted view on the evolution of the
project. With great success, great responsibilities arise too. Sucks, I
know. But that's the reality.
Sure, no one wants to work for free for arrogant users that only know how to
demand things like little children ask for candy (I realize, I am one of
them), but the Project should have thought about this earlier, before
releasing software to the world for public consumption and doing marketing
pushes, and doing press releases and all that jazz. Keep it to yourself then
and close down Bugzilla too.
You make Gnome sound ellitistic, and that's bad PR business to start with.
I can already hear Havoc in my head telling me "that's not how Free Software
works", but you know what? Who cares how it works if its software is not as
usable or full-featured as Microsoft's or Apple's? Software is software, and
software is nothing but tools to get some work done. Open, closed, red,
green, whatever, it's all software made out of bits and bytes.
The _only_ question for the 99% of the users is: how well the software does
its job? You obviously, don't wanna know about how well your software
performs in the minds of your users (point: after so many years, the No1
user request, a menu editor or something similar that actually really works,
is still not a reality). And if that's so, there's a major problem in the
Gnome Project IMHO, and the Foundation (or whoever else who can) should do
something about it. And fast.
The [user's] help can be in the form of homework and analysis
Havoc, about users writing docs and analysis when they want a particular
feature: *I am* going to write such an analysis for each one of my 20
feature requests and then file them on bugzilla. Then, I will sit back and
watch how many of these bugzilla entries, if any, ever get a response from
its respective maintainer, let alone get realized in the next 1 year. My
experience so far with feature requests on Gnome is that they are getting
completely ignored and devs just do the few things they want to do for
themselves (except when there's a Sun/Novell/RH corporate decision to
develop something specific), and that's that.
Also, why have the devs get "angry" (as you said) for showing them a web
page with the most wanted features? I TAKE MAJOR OFFENSE as a user and a
Gnome advocate & supporter, you telling me that the developers of a
particular product don't even want to HEAR about what their users need. It
makes me feel that Microsoft and Apple are WAY more friendly and more open
to users' needs. Unlike most in this mailing list, "normal" people won't use
OSS software because of political reasons, they will only use it only if it
"does the job".
IMHO, a voting-like effort should take place every year or every 6 months,
before the next release cycle. There, users will be able to vote for 3
options out of 50-60 feature requests, yes, each one complete with "analysis
and homework" links. The 6-7 most-voted ones and after the gnome devs have
decided that the XYZ features is indeed worthwhile and makes sense, should
be implemented for the next release. I don't see any problem with this from
where I stand. Sure, someone will have to sit its bum down and write code,
but that's what developers do, right? That's why they joined the Gnome
Project in the first place, right?
Lastly, I realize that Gnome is not a democracy. It is still governed by its
developers and I am perfectly ok with that. But that's not a reason to shut
off the users out of the procedure and only "use" them for bug reports. It
royally sucks to be a Gnome user these days.
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