Re: Remove GnomeMeeting from Gnome module list?

[Damien Sandras <dsandras seconix com>]

I also want to add that I do respect code and strings freezes.

But anyway, that is my last mail on the matter, I don't have enough time
to loose it on such things. If the release team decides to remove GM
from the modules list, then go for it !

Le mardi 18 janvier 2005 à 19:12 +0100, Damien Sandras a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> It seems to be an attempt to flame, but I will still answer to this
> mail.
> 
> Le mardi 18 janvier 2005 à 18:28 +0100, Danilo Šegan a écrit :
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I'd like to have GnomeMeeting removed from official module list,
> > unless it starts being maintained just like other modules.
> > 
> 
> It is maintained like other modules.
> 
> > GnomeMeeting is officially part of Gnome desktop.  Unfortunately, it
> > doesn't follow Gnome schedule: releases came in the midst of release
> > cycles in 2.6 and 2.8, and the same might happen with 2.10.  I simply
> 
> First of all, that is not right. GnomeMeeting 1.2.0 has been released
> for GNOME 2.9, and the tarball has been put on the FTP server for
> release with GNOME 2.10. I know it is 3 months earlier, but I don't see
> why I should delay the release just to stick with the GNOME schedule as
> long as the provided tarball works with the intended GNOME release.
> 
> I was however unable to make a release for GNOME 2.6 as I had not enough
> time, but 1.0.2 was available for GNOME 2.6, so I don't see the problem.
> 
> GnomeMeeting is not a library, it is an application and unlike some
> GNOME maintainers, I'm not paid to develop on GnomeMeeting, so I can
> only do this in my spare time. The best I can guarantee is that there is
> a version that works with the new GNOME at each GNOME release. I can not
> guarantee I can do a new version at every GNOME release.
> 
> > don't know, and I doubt anybody else does.  It didn't have any
> > unstable tarball releases for 2.9 (though stable 1.2.0 came out in the
> > meantime).
> > 
> 
> Isn't it enough?
> 
> > It's nicely integrated into Gnome, which makes it an excellent program
> > to use on your Gnome desktop.  Still, I think it doesn't belong in
> > official module list, since they're playing by their own rules.
> > 
> 
> We are not playing our own rules. Nobody has never said that each GNOME
> component should have a new release at each GNOME release, but perhaps
> the release team should clarify on this.
> 
> > The problem is that they require special care from translation and
> > documentation teams, due to misaligned stable release dates. There're
> > many more software packages in Gnome CVS which have this same level of
> > Gnome support, and some are even better.  Translators like to have
> > software translated for translations themselves, not for the sake of
> > stats (i.e. I might get 1.2.5 finally translated when it comes out
> > along with Gnome 2.10, but that still leaves users with 1.2.0-1.2.4
> > untranslated).  So, making them allocate special time for whenever
> > GnomeMeeting releases might come isn't helping the cause.  Regular
> > release cycles are there so we can organise our time better.
> > 
> > I'm not trying to play down on Damien or anybody, because I think
> > GnomeMeeting is a great piece of software.  I hope that no one will be
> > offended by my request to remove it from official list of Gnome
> > modules.
> > 
> 
> I think your request is very offending and not very wise either. You
> have not contacted me before to discuss about this, instead you have
> directly mailed the desktop-devel-llist, and that proves everything of
> what I'm thinking of your e-mail.
> 
> > I'm certain removing GnomeMeeting won't harm it's wide acceptance
> > either, since I don't see at all how GnomeMeeting benefits from being 
> > included in Gnome.
> > 
> > Comments and opinions welcome, but please don't turn this into "how 
> > good GnomeMeeting is" instead of "will GnomeMeeting commit to
> > following Gnome schedule in the future".
> > 
> 
> I won't. I can only make sure there is a release that works for every
> GNOME release. I can not guarantee I can be ready with a new version at
> each GNOME release, for several reasons :
> - I can not code more than I have spare time
> - Coding requires sometimes much time, sometimes less, I can not preduct
> and adjust the evolution of the code to the GNOME schedule
> - I'm not paid to do this, I also have a family and a social life, but
> I'm still doing my very best...
> 
> Moreover, removing it from the GNOME modules, won't solve the
> translations problem. It is up to the release team to decide on this,
> and if they decide that a new release is required at each GNOME release,
> and that I can not do a new release between GNOME releases, then I will
> silently accept the removing of GnomeMeeting from the official modules.
> 
> However, I think this is probably stupid and exagerated. Actually your
> request seems very weird to me, but perhaps that's just me.
> 
> I don't know if you realize, but I'm currently adding SIP support into
> GnomeMeeting, and it might take more time than the 6 months separating
> each GNOME release, so I don't see how I could fit with the release
> schedule, that's impossible.
> 
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Danilo
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