Re: [Deskbar] Idea - integrate deskbar in the gnome menubar

[David Prieto <frandavid100 gmail com>]

I'm not sure I understand most of your points, Alexey.

> On the panel, of course. I'm currently running XFCE only because it
> has cmd line applet for the panel, but Gnome doesn't anymore. Oh, and
> KDE has that cmd line applet, too.

Not sure how that relates to this. You prefer stuff on your panel, is
that what you're saying?

> Frankly speaking, have Yet Another Launcher is useless. 99% of the
> time all I want from the launcher is cmd line. XFCE/Gnome/KDE already
> have one, available by Alt+F2.

Doesn't that argument defeat the whole purpose of deskbar's existence?
Why have it at all if 99% of the time you only need the command line or
alt+F2?

> As for Advanced Search etc features, they are really nice, but if they
> don't come where people generally want 'em, on the panel, then they
> aint used. That happened to every single one of my friends running
> Gnome.

So, how do you know users actually want it on the panel and not on the
menu? Did any of those friends have deskbar on their menus, so they
could compare? Or are you talking about them having it on the panel as
opposed to NOT having it at all?

I did install deskbar on friends' and relatives' computers, actually.
Most of them -casual users mainly- did not use it at all because they
didn't relate it to launching stuff. I put it there on the panel,
explained what it did. But it was, as you say, "another launcher". And
useless for them, as such.

What I'm proposing is to integrate it into the already existing launcher
instead.

> The panel space is precious. However, many people always place cmd
> line applet on the panel (if available).

I don't personally know anyone who does. Sorry.

> Why? Just because it's damn convenient to have it there. Saves a click
> or two, I believe. And if the implementation of such cmd line uses
> history combo box - it all can be done with mouse.

But one of my points is that, if integrated in the gnome menu, using
deskbar would NOT require more clicks or key presses than it does now.
Clicking "apps" or pressing alt+F1 should automatically put the focus on
it, right as clicking the applet or pressing alt+F3 does now. So, again,
what do you mean exactly?

> As for gloryfied Vista users, I don't see your point. Why lose
> existing Linux users for Vista users?

I honestly doubt we would lose any existing users. As I said, the
integration could easily be undone through the menu editor. Also, having
it on the menu doesn't mean you could NOT still put it on the panel.

Again, why not make both ways possible? So I can have it on the menu and
you can have it on the panel, where you like it?

> I don't find most of the Vista 'advantages' nether revolutionary nor
> convenient. People simply hate Vista. So, why do you want to bring the
> least successful MS OS features to nice and clean Gnome?

I'm not discussing Vista's merits as a whole, but proposing a feature I
have seen actual people say they miss in Gnome. I think you're rejecting
a feature merely because it is in Windows, and not giving actual reasons
for it.