Re: Information you need regarding RMS

[Will LaShell <will lashell net>]

I vote to send it (of course I am biased since we worked on it together.
haha)

Will

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 15:22 +0800, Emily Chen wrote:
> Thanks Pingooo and Fred, 
> 
> Below is the draft email I will send to RMS today. If I miss anything,
> please let me know before 4:30pm.  
> 
> -emily 
> 
> ================================
> Hi Richard,
> 
> The GNOME foundation travel committee is able to sponsor you in the
> amount of $400 as per our travel policy. You will need to fill the
> form and send back to travel-committee gnome org before July 9th, 2010
> 14:00 UTC.
> 
> Due to budget limitations, we are not able to afford lodging for all
> speakers. We hope you understand and regret we cannot afford this for
> all of our guests.
> 
> The COSCUP/GNOME.Asia team is planning to schedule your talk for Aug
> 15th, 2010 in the 13:00 - 14:00 time slot. You talk will be designated
> as one of the keynote speeches.
> 
> Please confirm your availability to the COSCUP / GNOME.Asia 2010
> conference. Your response before July 3th will be much appreciated as
> we are making final preparations for the speaking schedule and plan to
> announce the conference schedule in public on July 4th, 2010.
> 
> Sincerely,
> GNOME.Asia Committee
> =============================
> 
> 
> 2010/7/2 pingooo <ping nsr yeh gmail com>
>         The mail looks good to me. Thanks Emily for putting it
>         together.
>         
>         
>         On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Frederic Muller
>         <fred beijinglug org> wrote:
>         > I agree with the decision.
>         >
>         > Fred
>         >
>         > On 07/02/2010 11:47 AM, Emily Chen wrote:
>         >
>         > Hi Pingooo,
>         >
>         > Thanks for those information.
>         >
>         > I will write to RMS the final email to confirm.
>         >
>         > Below are the thing we can afford:
>         > 1. $400 travel subsidy from GNOME foundation, as long as he
>         send the form
>         > before the deadline. He can use the $400 to pay for his
>         lodging himself.
>         > 2. Arrange his talk in 1 hour, on the 15th, Aug, 13:00 -
>         14:00 . Not two
>         > hours, also ,we need to make sure he is not late for this
>         speech.
>         >
>         > So we will not provide lodging place for him, the same as
>         other speakers.
>         >
>         > If all GNOME.Asia and COSCUP team members are agree, I will
>         write to him
>         > today. Since we are going to announce our schedule on July
>         4th.
>         >
>         > I need everyone's vote.
>         >
>         > -Emily
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > 2010/7/1 pingooo <ping nsr yeh gmail com>
>         >>
>         >> I have personal experience with Richard Stallman on his
>         last trip to
>         >> Taiwan and I second Will on
>         >>
>         >> 1. the term "open source" would make him unhappy;
>         >> 2. he wouldn't care if he offended others;
>         >>
>         >> and let me add that
>         >>
>         >> 3. he seems to think people he doesn't know are basically
>         idiots;
>         >> 4. he thinks whatever people around him does is trying to
>         please him.
>         >>
>         >> Like I said in the IRC meeting, I am very concerned if he
>         comes to
>         >> COSCUP / GNOME.Asia 2010. We did come up with a plan with
>         the
>         >> "speaker's package", but I'm afraid that can't possibly be
>         sufficient
>         >> (nothing is) to make Richard Stallman behave the way we
>         wish him to
>         >> behave.
>         >>
>         >> If the purpose of inviting him over is for publicity, I
>         would say
>         >> we'll have more than enough publicity with other keynote
>         speakers and
>         >> the topics of the joint conference itself. His last and
>         second trip to
>         >> Taiwan didn't generate much publicity, and I doubt a third
>         trip can
>         >> produce more.
>         >>
>         >> If the purpose is to get more people to listen to his talk,
>         well, his
>         >> last trip didn't attract too big an audience in Taiwan.
>         >>
>         >> Besides, we have to reject 8 submitted papers (2/hour * 4
>         tracks) to
>         >> make room for his keynote speech, and he doesn't like the 1
>         hour
>         >> length we give him anyway.
>         >>
>         >> I would propose that we use accommodation costs as our
>         excuse to
>         >> politely turn down his trip. But it is Emily's call since
>         Emily is the
>         >> one that invited him.
>         >>
>         >> My 2 cents.
>         >>
>         >> pingooo
>         >>
>         >> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Will LaShell
>         <will lashell net> wrote:
>         >> > Hi guys,
>         >> >
>         >> > I want to caution you regarding Richard Stallman and his
>         requests.
>         >> > Richard has been to various conferences in the past and
>         he is an
>         >> > extremely difficult guest to deal with.  He will want
>         special attention
>         >> > over what should be expected for a regualar guest.  I
>         wish to caution
>         >> > you greatly before you extend any offers to him.
>         >> >
>         >> > He has been a guest at GUADEC where he stayed at one of
>         the organizers
>         >> > homes.  He was not comfortable and did not like the
>         arrangement. He
>         >> > demanded to be taken to an alternative residence. You
>         will need to make
>         >> > sure that somone is ready to find him as there are many
>         instances where
>         >> > he will be late to any talk or event he is scheduled to
>         be at. He will
>         >> > take offense to any mention of open source  vs free
>         software. Last year
>         >> > at GUADEC he offended many people at the conference by
>         making a bad joke
>         >> > about women during his keynote speech. It caused quite
>         the public
>         >> > relation problems for GNOME and GUADEC.  During a speech
>         in mainland
>         >> > China he talked about how Tibet should be Free.
>         >> >
>         >> > I cannot tell you not to assist him,  but I can try very
>         hard to make
>         >> > sure you understand what working with him is like.   I am
>         going to speak
>         >> > only for myself now  in that when I heard of him
>         considering coming to
>         >> > GNOME.Asia I was not in favor of this.  I personally do
>         not think the
>         >> > benefits he has are greater than the potential negatives
>         he can incur.
>         >> > The last thing anyone needs are difficulties and bad
>         press brought to a
>         >> > conference when we are all trying to expose people to the
>         benefits of
>         >> > our development and software environments.
>         >> >
>         >> > I have had personal interactions with RMS that I am more
>         than happy to
>         >> > converse with any of you about. I am available via
>          google talk,  skype,
>         >> > or phone call if necessary.
>         >> >
>         >> > I want our joint conference to go smoothly with positive
>         feedback from
>         >> > participants and sponsors, as such I am writing to you
>         all today.
>         >> >
>         >> > Sincerely,
>         >> >
>         >> > Will LaShell
>         >> > GNOME.Asia Summit Committee
>         >> >
>         >> >
>         >> > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:26 +0800, Ernest Chiang wrote:
>         >> >> Hi Will,
>         >> >>
>         >> >>
>         >> >> We can discuss via email first due to many meetings
>         today...
>         >> >> I have not yet have any interactions with him so far.
>         >> >>
>         >> >>
>         >> >> ernest,
>         >> >>
>         >> >>
>         >> >> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Will LaShell
>         <will lashell net> wrote:
>         >> >>         Ernest,
>         >> >>
>         >> >>         Please contact me on google talk
>          (wlashell gmail com)   or
>         >> >>         via irc /
>         >> >>         email.  I would like to speak to you directly
>         regarding your
>         >> >>         interactions with Richard Stallman.
>         >> >>
>         >> >>         Thank you,
>         >> >>
>         >> >>         Will LaShell
>         >> >>
>         >> >>
>         >> >>
>         >> >
>         >> >
>         >> >
>         >
>         >
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