Re: Information you need regarding RMS

[pingooo <ping nsr yeh gmail com>]

The mail looks good to me. Thanks Emily for putting it together.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Frederic Muller <fred beijinglug org> wrote:
> I agree with the decision.
>
> Fred
>
> On 07/02/2010 11:47 AM, Emily Chen wrote:
>
> Hi Pingooo,
>
> Thanks for those information.
>
> I will write to RMS the final email to confirm.
>
> Below are the thing we can afford:
> 1. $400 travel subsidy from GNOME foundation, as long as he send the form
> before the deadline. He can use the $400 to pay for his lodging himself.
> 2. Arrange his talk in 1 hour, on the 15th, Aug, 13:00 - 14:00 . Not two
> hours, also ,we need to make sure he is not late for this speech.
>
> So we will not provide lodging place for him, the same as other speakers.
>
> If all GNOME.Asia and COSCUP team members are agree, I will write to him
> today. Since we are going to announce our schedule on July 4th.
>
> I need everyone's vote.
>
> -Emily
>
>
>
> 2010/7/1 pingooo <ping nsr yeh gmail com>
>>
>> I have personal experience with Richard Stallman on his last trip to
>> Taiwan and I second Will on
>>
>> 1. the term "open source" would make him unhappy;
>> 2. he wouldn't care if he offended others;
>>
>> and let me add that
>>
>> 3. he seems to think people he doesn't know are basically idiots;
>> 4. he thinks whatever people around him does is trying to please him.
>>
>> Like I said in the IRC meeting, I am very concerned if he comes to
>> COSCUP / GNOME.Asia 2010. We did come up with a plan with the
>> "speaker's package", but I'm afraid that can't possibly be sufficient
>> (nothing is) to make Richard Stallman behave the way we wish him to
>> behave.
>>
>> If the purpose of inviting him over is for publicity, I would say
>> we'll have more than enough publicity with other keynote speakers and
>> the topics of the joint conference itself. His last and second trip to
>> Taiwan didn't generate much publicity, and I doubt a third trip can
>> produce more.
>>
>> If the purpose is to get more people to listen to his talk, well, his
>> last trip didn't attract too big an audience in Taiwan.
>>
>> Besides, we have to reject 8 submitted papers (2/hour * 4 tracks) to
>> make room for his keynote speech, and he doesn't like the 1 hour
>> length we give him anyway.
>>
>> I would propose that we use accommodation costs as our excuse to
>> politely turn down his trip. But it is Emily's call since Emily is the
>> one that invited him.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>> pingooo
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Will LaShell <will lashell net> wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > I want to caution you regarding Richard Stallman and his requests.
>> > Richard has been to various conferences in the past and he is an
>> > extremely difficult guest to deal with.  He will want special attention
>> > over what should be expected for a regualar guest.  I wish to caution
>> > you greatly before you extend any offers to him.
>> >
>> > He has been a guest at GUADEC where he stayed at one of the organizers
>> > homes.  He was not comfortable and did not like the arrangement. He
>> > demanded to be taken to an alternative residence. You will need to make
>> > sure that somone is ready to find him as there are many instances where
>> > he will be late to any talk or event he is scheduled to be at. He will
>> > take offense to any mention of open source  vs free software. Last year
>> > at GUADEC he offended many people at the conference by making a bad joke
>> > about women during his keynote speech. It caused quite the public
>> > relation problems for GNOME and GUADEC.  During a speech in mainland
>> > China he talked about how Tibet should be Free.
>> >
>> > I cannot tell you not to assist him,  but I can try very hard to make
>> > sure you understand what working with him is like.   I am going to speak
>> > only for myself now  in that when I heard of him considering coming to
>> > GNOME.Asia I was not in favor of this.  I personally do not think the
>> > benefits he has are greater than the potential negatives he can incur.
>> > The last thing anyone needs are difficulties and bad press brought to a
>> > conference when we are all trying to expose people to the benefits of
>> > our development and software environments.
>> >
>> > I have had personal interactions with RMS that I am more than happy to
>> > converse with any of you about. I am available via  google talk,  skype,
>> > or phone call if necessary.
>> >
>> > I want our joint conference to go smoothly with positive feedback from
>> > participants and sponsors, as such I am writing to you all today.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > Will LaShell
>> > GNOME.Asia Summit Committee
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:26 +0800, Ernest Chiang wrote:
>> >> Hi Will,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We can discuss via email first due to many meetings today...
>> >> I have not yet have any interactions with him so far.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ernest,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Will LaShell <will lashell net> wrote:
>> >>         Ernest,
>> >>
>> >>         Please contact me on google talk  (wlashell gmail com)   or
>> >>         via irc /
>> >>         email.  I would like to speak to you directly regarding your
>> >>         interactions with Richard Stallman.
>> >>
>> >>         Thank you,
>> >>
>> >>         Will LaShell
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
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