Re: [xml] About software patents in Europe and consequences



Hi list,

Yeah, even if it's not the main goal of this list, I don't understand how a such patent could be. It's too huge to be, and after a lot of petitions of the web, I'm worried too. Most of the EP members associate software patents to copyrights and then they will vote for something they don't even understand.

Stallman did an excellent comparison by the way, with Les Misérables of V. Hug named "Patent of idiocies":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/comment/story/0,12449,1510566,00.html

I hope that everything will be fine for the libxml2 project, but also for all open sources projects, I think LGPL would be an interesting licence in a such case. Too few members of the European Parliament are open-minded to this kind of problem, too many huge companies want it, and there is the money.

May the force be with us,

Regards,

Rem

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Fred Smith wrote:

I'm not a European so there's little-to-no value in me contacting
members of the Europan Parliament.

But I'm as worried about it as Daniel is.

I urge all of you who do live or work in Europe (or work for European
employers) to get ON THE TELEPHONE to your MEP(s) and eloquently argue
against patents for any kind of software. Don't rant, plan out a logical
argument and deliver it.

Please!!!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: xml-bounces gnome org [mailto:xml-bounces gnome org] On Behalf
Of
Daniel Veillard
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 6:41 AM
To: xml gnome org; xslt gnome org
Subject: [xml] About software patents in Europe and consequences

 I updated the front page of xmlsoft.org to point to the current
state.
In a nutshell, if there isn't strong opposition from the elected
european
representatives, the directive toward legalizing Software Patents in
Europe
will pass.
 I live in europe as well as some others libxml2 and libxslt
contributors.
This mean I/we could suddenly suffer from legal attack from
companies who deposed patents about XML software processing, i.e. the
software I provided under a very liberal licence for all to share may
turn
into a risk for my work, and the assets I got though the result of my
work.
This is of course something I don't take lightly at all.

 I noticed that among the companies who lobbied to get Software
Patents
legalized in Europe, among others IBM, Apple, Cisco, Alcatel, Dell,
Sun Microsystems, Bull, Intel, HP, Adobe, Fujitsu, SAP, Siemens, Sony
and Motorola [1], a lot of them are using libxml2 and libxslt. Seems
as
a thank you for I providing code, time and energy, all I get is being
threaten for potential legal attacks.

  I cannot accept this state of affairs.

 If the Software Patent directive to legalize them in Europe passes
on Wednesday (or later) I may have to change things. One of them could
be to switch the Licence for the software:

  - to LGPL which has a Patent protection clause
  - to add patent attack protection to the Licence like sections
    12 and 13 for the GPL, basically dropping all right to any
    distribution and use in case of any legal attack
  - or something else I will certainly have to ask a lawyer for
advices
 This annoys me a lot, but I may need to defend myself. There are
certainly
other options like for example getting a formal statement from one of
those companies that they would pay for the defense in case of legal
attacks due to patents infrigements in Europe. If you work for one of
those company and use libxml2 or libxslt you should raise this point
to your hierarchy, because the status-quo is in danger, all I (we)
have
left on our side is our CopyRight rights on this software and if
that's
the only thing I can use to protect myself, I will use it, but to be
able to use it I would have to change the License for future versions.

 Don't try to persuade me that Software Patents are not intrinsically
bad,
I base my opinion on the current text being pushed without
Buzek-Rocard-
Duff
amendments and which just mirrors the sorry state of Software Patents
in
the USA, and is indefendable in practice. It's not an ideologistic
view,
it is a pragmatic one I can't risk to get patent infringement legal
bills
that there is no way I could afford to pay, and there is no way I can
do
or pay for potential patent infringement searches about all the XML
processing aspects embbedded in libxml2 and libxslt.

  I am very concerned about this, if you are in Europe, please call
your
MEP to object this directive without the amendments suggested [2]. If
you
work for one of the companies who paid for this being passed, you can
contact your hierarchy now because there is something seriously broken
I will have to react to, and in general if you have advices on how to
handle this mess please provide them, publicly on the list or
privately
if you wish so.

 thanks for your attention,

Daniel

[1] list extracted from http://www.eicta.org/ who organized a lot of
   the lobbying for legalizing Software Patents in Europe

[2] see http://wiki.noepatents.eu.org/index.php/MEPinfo don't send
mail,
   call them, mine is Rocard who worked on amendments to try to
correct
   the situation ...

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