Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows
- From: Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>
- To: Bill Haneman <Bill Haneman Sun COM>
- Cc: wm-spec-list gnome org, Lubos Lunak <l lunak suse cz>
- Subject: Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows
- Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:23:54 -0400
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 21:33 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote:
> For 'normal' popups like menus, I agree with you that the toolkit
> probably should be using _NET_WORKAREA intelligently. But I really
> don't know that this is 'simpler' because you have to fix every toolkit,
> and every app that works-around the toolkit or does this in a
> non-standard way, and you have to get every toolkit maintainer to accept
> your patches, etc. Given that the WM is being invoked as a sort of
> standard bearer for 'good behavior', why not fix it there? Besides,
> even for menus, I don't think the toolkit can get it right for
> accessibility using override-redirect because, for instance...
Popup menus as they currently work can't be window managed, because the
toolkit wants to grab the keyboard/mouse (and if you let the WM delay
the window mapping, there's a race condition where you have to wait for
the map prior to the grab).
To do popup menus as managed a couple things are needed:
- they have to behave in Windows style (pop down on unfocus)
rather than current "pop down on click elsewhere"
- a new _NET_WM_TYPE so window managers don't try to place
the menu or other such screwups
Havoc
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