Re: [Vala] [OT] Vala -> C#

["marcin saepia net" <marcin saepia net>]

Excuse me but are you suggesting that Vala users should write a tool that
eases migration from Vala to C#? You are free to do it by yourself.

I agree that documentation, and overall support is incomparable between
Vala and any other enterprise-backed language and it might be much better
but what you are suggesting is an overkill. Many open source projects lack
this "developer happines" aspect as they are mainly curated by nerds, not
"product owners" but what you can do here is use time you spend on
complaining on improving this. If you don't get that philosophy, you should
stay in the safe harbour of enterprise languages.

Moreover, if speed of development was your primary need, it's your (or your
CTO if you have one) fault that you have chosen quite immature, niche
language for your work. There are shitloads of languages and frameworks
that are aimed at doing stuff fast, usually in exchange for performance,
resources consumption or low-level access to the bare metal.

I also sometimes spend ages on debugging low level stuff in Vala. But I
don't complain because it's still the best choice for writing
GStreamer-backed, truly cross platform multimedia applications that won't
get accidental lock because of garbage collector. For this use case it's
close to perfection. Maybe your use case was just differentbut. I am not
sure if your disappointment is fault of Vala and tools for migrating to C#
would have sorted that issue out.

Still, I agree that even within open source community there are examples of
better documentation/support/whatsoever but I consider this to be secondary
to your arguments.

m.

2016-03-29 0:48 GMT+02:00 Edwin De La Cruz <edwinspire gmail com>:

> 2016-03-28 16:19 GMT-05:00 Edwin De La Cruz <edwinspire gmail com>:
> > 2016-03-26 9:59 GMT-05:00 Steven Oliver <oliver steven gmail com>:
> > > If having an IDE is high on your list check out builder. It's support
> for
> > > Vala is getting better every release. They are also really good about
> taking
> > > new contributors.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Steven N. Oliver
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:49 PM -0700, "Edwin De La Cruz"
> > > <edwinspire gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear. I'm using valac for quite some time, although work has been left
> > > > aside, I'm starting to use c #, I find it more productive but I refuse
> > > > to use it and recognize it, but it is.
> > > >
> > > > Among the ideas that came to my mind, including _mono_, I thought ...
> > > > because someone does not develop something similar to c # but Vala,
> > > > who has the same name functions, classes, methods, etc so if I have
> > > > one codigo.cs simply change it by codigo.vala and compile directly.
> > > >
> > > > I know it's an idea a little crazy and not all libraries can be
> > > > imported, but whether it would be much easier and productive to have
> > > > such a code.
> > > >
> > > > I program in C # using their mimas classes, but at the time of
> > > > compiling all transforms Vala.
> > > >
> > > > It would be great as well.
> > > >
> > > > I have made the task of doing that only with the most basic functions,
> > > > just to prove, as a hobby.
> > > >
> > > > In the years that I go with Vala language seems very much potential,
> > > > but lacks an IDE, MonoDevelop no longer supports it, also lacks more
> > > > documentation, easier to use libraries as well as in c #.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the extension of this message and perhaps not relevant but
> > > > needed to relieve the sadness of having to change Vala by c #.
> > > >
> > > > See you soon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mis proyectos de software libre en:
> > > > Github - edwinspire
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> >
> >
> > Well, actually the IDE is not a priority, I've driven with gedit well,
> > that's no problem.
> >
> > Even I became a microide, what helps me is to compile and link the
> > binary libraries which depends with a simple click.
> >
> > Where I see the difficulty, or rather the obstacles to develop faster,
> > is in the documentation, examples, and functions that facilitate the
> > work.
> >
> > For example, to send an email in SMTP in c # is a matter of a couple
> > of lines and ready. With Vala me it was very difficult.
> >
> > Worse even if my applications development on the Linux (GNU / Debian)
> > but to deliver them to production will run on Windows.
> >
> > Last week tried C # to replace some parts where used Vala and I found
> > it very easy with Monodevelop.
> >
> > In 2 days with c # did the same as 8 days with Vala.
> >
> > What I suggested was to make a package that has the same functions and
> > classes that exist in C # but Vala, with the same names, which is
> > identical, so it would be very easy to move from one language to
> > another.
> >
> >
> > Mis proyectos de software libre en:
> > Github - edwinspire
>
> I meant to do something Como this:
> https://github.com/edwinspire/VSharp It is just an example , although
> it does not work but can best illustrate my idea.
>
> Mis proyectos de software libre en:
> Github - edwinspire
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