Re: [Usability] desktop entry names, generic?

[Daniele Levorato <daniele levorato infocamere it>]

Well... perhaps I'm wrong but I can't really understand the problem... a
naming convenction should "help" rather that create confusion.
I'm using Gnome 2.4 and there's no differences in naming: what I mean is
that I have a sub-menu "Web Browser" in the "Main Menu" with items
"Mozilla" "Firefox" "Galeon" and so on... it's simple and clear.
OK, it's a good idea to have appl_name+appl_catogory so for example:
Mozilla Web Broser
Firefox Web Browser
And it's all. No need, in my opinion, to discuss more about what the
simple "Web Browser" item should be about: it should not exist at all.
If Firefox is your prefered Web Browser, just define it in "Prefered
Application"... you do that so you know it... no need to associate it
with a "Web Browser" item or "Prefered Web Browser" item, just "Firefox
Web Browser". It's all...
About "GNOME brand"... no need again... if Firefox is the default GNOME
web-browser well, OK... it's the the default when I install GNOME. And
it's all... if you really want to tell the difference you can put a:
"GNOME Web Browser (Firefox)"
so a: 
GNOME appl_category (appl_name)
naming convention for "GNOME branded" applications (another example
"GNOME Image Viewer (Joe)"
It seems clear and comprehensive to final users...

In my opinion it's as simple as that, so simple that perhaps I've not
understand the real problem you're talking about...
if so, please explain me (for example what is the HIG recomendation),
I'm interested...
Ciao
    Daniele


On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 07:33, Bryan Clark wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 08:15 +0300, Tommi Komulainen wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 18:14 -0400, Bryan Clark wrote:
> > > 
> > > Problem being that in this discussion came the idea that the GNOME base
> > > applications should carry only the GNOME brand.  When I say the GNOME
> > > brand, what I mean is _no brand at all_.  So if "Joe Image Viewer" is
> > > part of the desktop release and the default GNOME Image Viewer it's menu
> > > item name remains "Image Viewer", no matter how many other Image Viewer
> > > applications are installed in parallel.  Now when the user installs
> > > "Crackbox Image Viewer" the "Joe Image Viewer" retains the name "Image
> > > Viewer" as it's 'brand' or proper name is to be a part of the desktop.
> > 
> > How is this scheme supposed to work with 'preferred applications'
> > preferences?   At the moment I can pick my favorite web browser but
> > whenever I start the "Web Browser" from the menus I get Epiphany
> > instead.  Same for all other 'preferred applications' - something else
> > is started from the menus.
> 
> Yes, this is the situation where you have an alternate browser installed
> in parallel to the GNOME Web Browser and have chosen it to be your
> default.  
> 
> So you installed your favorite browser and it is called "Favorite Web
> Browser", and is listed so in the Preferred applications menu.  This
> doesn't change what the GNOME Web Browser is, just that you have a
> preference of what you want to be your default browser. 
> 
> This desktop spec doesn't create the WinXP style menu where whatever is
> your default browser is what the Desktop calls "Internet".  Although I'm
> not saying that isn't a nice way of doing things.  The desktop spec
> controls how the menu items are displayed according to what the
> applications really are.
> 
> Cheers,
> ~ Bryan
> 
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