Re: [Usability] Re: [Gphpedit-devel] Pre 0.4.0 release almost ready

[Christian Neumair <chris gnome-de org>]

Am Fre, 2003-06-20 um 19.11 schrieb Gregory Merchan:
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 03:47:45PM +0100, Andy Jeffries wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 15:39, Shaun McCance wrote:
> > > >   What do you think about <Alt>+<Left> to folde and <Alt>+<Right> to
> > > > unfolde?
> > > 
> > > >From the HIG:
> > > 
> > > "Do not use any of the standard shortcut keys listed in the section
> > > called ?Standard Application Shortcut Keys? for your own purposes, even
> > > if your application doesn't support those functions. This helps
> > > reinforce consistency between all GNOME applications."
> > > 
> > > Table 10.9 lists Alt-Left and Alt-Right as Back and Next, respectively. 
> > > And wrt Andy's Shift suggestion, though not in the HIG, Metacity does
> > > currently use Shift-Alt-(Left|Right|Up|Down) for moving windows between
> > > workspaces.
> > > 
> > > How about Ctrl-[ and Ctrl-]?  Or would those be bad for non-US
> > > keyboards?  Are separate keybindings necessary, or would a single
> > > 'Toggle Folded State' shortcut work?
> 
> How about localizing this as a string is?  That seems the simplest solution
> to such problems.  If that's not viable, you might try to detect the
> keyboard layout.
Nope, that's definitly not acceptable.
Key inconsistencies across languages are acceptable when it comes to
mnemonics - but accelerators ought to be used WITHOUT having a look at
any strings / menus / listings, so they HAVE to be consistent.
Sven made a sane proposal (using ctrl+><) which is much prefereable in
comparison with yours'.
What do you think of it?

regs,
 Chris

> 
> 
> > It would work, but we also really need a shortcut for Fold/Unfold all.
> 
> Alt + the mnemonic for the menu with the item - the mnemonic for the item.
> 
> Not everything has to have a shortcut key. Too many of them, especially
> with different effects across applications, make them hard to learn and
> recall. If it takes too long to recall the shortcut, and maybe even if
> it doesn't, you can work faster using menus.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Greg
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