Re: [Usability]Abstracting the Linux desktop

[=?utf-8?b?Ik1pZ3VlbCBBLiBBcsOpdmFsbyI=?= <marevalo marevalo net>]

Sorry about the strenght, beeing a non native english speaker and trying 
to look funny do not work well together. Just to point some things:

/dev (or something like that, I do not have propietary software at home) 
is also used in MacOSX, but it is not shown in the GUI.

About the logic of the filesystem; all, and I say all, the files on my 
Debian Linux machine at home are at the right directory. Defective Linux 
distributions or faulty dowloadable packages are not the fault of the 
FHS writer.

About not-hidden directories or file in my $HOME, only the "bug 
reported" ~/evolution stands still.

Just my 0.02€ , and again sorry for my funny spanglish.

Joshua Adam Ginsberg wrote:

> Not to contradict the strength of your "Eeeeeehhh !! Wrong !!", but I
> think there is much wrong with the *nix filesystem. The /home tree is a
> great idea, and probably the best thing about the filesystem, but it has
> much wrong with it usability wise from there... the /dev tree, while
> outstanding from the CLI and the development standpoint, ***SUCKS***
> from a usability standpoint... the old convention of local vs. share is
> inconsistently applied, resulting in two separate trees for libraries,
> binaries, includes, etc... and even within the home directory, the
> flooding of it with hidden .files and even configuration folders that
> aren't hidden makes it nearly impossible to use the home directory as
> the base for a desktop environment...
>
> So while I too am not thrilled with the "My Computer" idea, I think
> GNOME captured the spirit of it without having to specify anything about
> the physical machine... it's really a "Start Here" point... I like
> Anders suggestions about expanding and centralizing the start here
> section in Nautilus...
>
> So, yeah, I think an "Eeeeeehh !! Wrong !!" is a bit much...
>
> -jag
>
> On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 02:46, "Miguel A. Arévalo" wrote:
>  
>
> > Eeeeeehhh !! Wrong !!
> >
> > I'm sorry but there is no worst part on the Windows 95 Desktop than this 
> > evil "My Computer" icon, this icon exists only because the Windows 
> > filesystem is ill-designed for both end and admin users. An end user 
> > should only know where his personal documents are stored, and "The Right 
> > Thing" (tm) is using the complete desktop metaphore. The end user should 
> > not even see there is a physical computer, because there are lots of 
> > configurations that breaks this paradigm (X-terminals, distributed 
> > filesystems, complete distributed operating systems, etc.) that will 
> > never fit it.
> >
> > The UNIX filesystem (coupled with a good package manager, esp. dpkg & 
> > apt) is the best hierarchycal filesystem in use now, and it is so 
> > because it is very user friendly, but the end-user of the "system" part 
> > (binaries, libraries, etc) are the admins and system software, no end 
> > lusers should know the existence of /usr/lib nor /dev/hdb.
> >
> > Of course, the best filesystem for both the user and admins-software 
> > would be an attributed filesystem, but, this is not UNIX nor POSIX so 
> > we'll have to wait for another 20 years.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
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