Re: [README] Sawfish 2.90 branched

[Christopher Roy Bratusek <zanghar freenet de>]

Am Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:55:23 +0200
schrieb Christopher Roy Bratusek <zanghar freenet de>:

> Am Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:24:00 +0900 (JST)
> schrieb Teika Kazura <teika lavabit com>:
> 
> > On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:10:09 +0200, Christopher Roy Bratusek wrote:
> > > Yesterday I created the "sawfish-2.90" branch. Which will go HEAD
> > > after a while and will lead to Sawfish 3.0
> > 
> > Isn't it too early? Without gtk+3, there's no reason to call it
> > Sawfish-3. Renaming of modules happens definitely sometime, so I'd say
> > it's ok in 1.7.1, or at least 1.8.0 suffices.
> 
> It's not. It introduces incompatible changes (more than just module renaming), which are
> to be avoided in the stable branch.
> 
> Besides there won't be a 1.8x -- 1.7x is supported until at least 3.0
> 
> Also I choose 2.90 to indicate that it's very early.
> 

Of course you're right: GTK+3 isn't here yet. But: Sawfish 3.0 is not just 1.7 + GTK+3.
I'm currently reading docs about Scheme/LISP -- meanwhile the other things can already be
done.

Sawfish 3.0 will take a long time (on one hand limited to our time on the other
hand I want to get as much as possible bugs fixed, avoid regressions and bring some new
fancy stuff) -- it's ready when we decide it is.

Maybe it will be released next summer, next winter or in 2012. 2.90.x releases will be
done meanwhile. I know that this doesn't sound good at first, but for Sawfish 3.0 are
more things planned: keyboard stuff, GTK+3, tab-system improvement, edges, or check
ProposedGoals and BugZilla (…).

I would prefer a long-time-taking 3.0 which is high-quality in both new features,
bugfixes and stability rather than releasing it to early.

(Now I'm going to drift away a bit)

E17 is in development and they just entered beta-phase this year -- while not loosing
their users, so I'm sure ours won't run away, too. ;)

Well... perhaps we will loose users, due to the fact that GNOME-Shell forces users to
use Mutter* (from my experiences the percentage of users using sawfish standalone and
sawfish + GNOME is almost equal, while I only know three people using sawfish + KDE
(Timo, I and some ProLinux-Reader)) so this might be a noticeable drawback. Especially
since GNOME-Panel is still not ported to GTK+3 (it looks like it might be, but if not,
then GNOME without Mutter is practically nothing).

* Mutter is the german word for mother. That's a very bad choice, on the other hand a
  wide range of "Deine Mutter" (Your Mother) jokes is readily available :D

But… who cares about GNOME? We know that Sawfish is better than Mutter. That's enough.

Regards,
Chris