Re: [Rhythmbox-devel] Support for organizing by multiple genres per song.

[Jonathon Watney <jon platypus bc ca>]

On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 16:43 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 11:21 -0500, John Russell wrote:
> > This is one of those rare cases where Reply-All is the right way to
> > go.  I'm not an RB developer so I have no idea how hard this is. 
> > Anyone else know?
> 
> You guys are looking for the "Smart playlists" which are already
> implemented. They should be fairly to extend to have additional tests
> and metadata to filter.

Mmmm, does 'Automatic Playlist' equal Smart Playlist?

If so, it looks like it cannot do what I would like it to do. Not out of
the box anyway. If I create two playlists, one that lists 'Metal' in the
genre and another that lists 'Jazz' in the genre both lists do not
appear to have the songs that have both a jazz and metal genre comment
defined. (I suppose I could comma delimit genres in one field...)

And the pane views are so much easier to use to be able to filter down
to certain songs. With the playlist idea I have to manually edit the
playlist criteria. This involves right clicking and typing where as the
using the panes just requires clicking. Also using playlists if I just
want certain albums in a genre I need to create a totally new playlist
and stuff more criteria in there. With the pane view I just 'click on
down'.

I would have liked to uninstall the playlist mentality when I
uninstalled XMMS. ;-)

I hope I am missing something here. Any ideas?

Joanthon.

> 
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Jonathon Watney <jon platypus bc ca>
> > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:41:06 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Rhythmbox-devel] Support for organizing by multiple
> > genres per song.
> > To: John Russell <jjrussell gmail com>
> > 
> > 
> > John,
> > 
> > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 08:11 -0500, John Russell wrote:
> > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:22:40 -0500, John Russell <jjrussell gmail com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:32:43 -0800, Jonathon Watney <jon platypus bc ca> wrote:
> > > > > John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your reply.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop me if I am wrong but I read your response as: RB cannot support
> > > > > such a feature because not all (namely id3) tag formats support multiple
> > > > > genre fields.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe I was not clear before. Songs would have as many genre references
> > > > > as genre comment fields, no? And formats that do not support multiple
> > > > > genre fields would obviously only have one genre reference.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maybe I read your reponse wrong. I just do not see how id3
> > > > > limitations come into this if RB can intelligently extract tag fields.
> > > >
> > > > That is an excellent point.
> > > >
> > > > I also found this...
> > > >
> > > > http://smartplaylists.com/comments.php?id=107_0_1_0_C
> > > > http://www.macosxhints.com/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20030409021945127&title=Smartlist+by+location%2C+please!&pid=0
> > > >
> > > > These discuss using multiple genres if they are separated by commas in
> > > > itunes.  HOwever, it says that itunes just sees them as new genres.
> > > >
> > > > e.g.
> > > >
> > > > Rock
> > > > Hard Rock
> > > > Rock, Hard Rock
> > > >
> > > > are three separate genres, not a hierarchy like I think you want. The
> > > > entire concept of the UI would have to be changed as itunes, the ipod
> > > > and RB all use the drilling down into the genres concept.  You would
> > > > need to add an arbitrary number of levels to that.  And at what point
> > > > would you stop drilling down into genres and start seeing artists?
> > > >
> > > > e.g.
> > > >
> > > > Decend from Rock into Hard Rock.  Now you see all your Hard Rock, but
> > > > not your other just Rock songs.  Would Hard Rock show up on the same
> > > > level as just Rock songs?  I would love to have this work somehow as
> > > > "Classical"  just doesn't cut it for my collection, but I'm not sure
> > > > it can be jammed into the current tools.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, after thinking about this a little more, I guess that
> > > sub-genres are not really necessary and all that you are looking for
> > > is to have a single song be in more than one genre.  Sort of the way
> > > that v-folders work in evolution where a single piece of mail can be
> > > in multiple v-folders and you don't have to have multiple copies of
> > > the same song.  That might be really nice and not require any changes
> > > to the UI as the song would simply appear in more than one genre.
> > > Would this work?
> > 
> > That sounds exactly what I want! :-) VFolders is an excellent analogy. I
> > wish I thought of it.
> > 
> > Now, would this be hard to implement?
> > 
> > Jonathon.
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> Bastien Nocera <hadess hadess net> 
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