Meeting minutes (May 16th)

[Vincent Untz <vuntz gnome org>]

Hi,

I couldn't find the minutes in the archives when preparing the mail for
new modules, so I guess I never sent them. So here they are.

Vincent

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Attendance
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Present:
 Andre Klapper (andre)
 Frederic Peters (fredp)
 Karsten Bräckelmann (guenther)
 Matthias Clasen (mclasen)
 Olav Vitters (bkor)
 Vincent Untz (vuntz) -- taking minutes

Regrets:
 Frederic Crozat (fcrozat)

Missing:
 Kjartan Maraas (kmaraas)
 Lucas Rocha (lucasr)


Agenda
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 + review of moduleset reorganization
 + external dependency review
 + module inclusion


Notes
=====

 + Since we don't have HAL anymore, we need to clearly document what
   code needs to be ported to various platforms. Matthias will work on
   the portability matrix.

 + gir-repository is deprecated and gobject-introspection support should
   be moved to individual modules.

 + it'd be useful to have a status update on where bindings stand with
   the use of introspection.

 + we encourage the opentts team to work with the speech dispatcher
   people to avoid the fork if possible.
 
 + we'd like to see the issue around copyright assignment resolved as
   fast as possible

 + Matthias will ask Bastien about Rygel
 
 + Vincent will ask the a11y team about the readiness of mousetrap


Moduleset reorganization
==========================

We skipped this since Lucas was not there. Everybody is encouraged to
reply to Lucas' draft, though.


External dependency review
==========================

Matthias proposed to update versions and remove some unused
dependencies. Everybody agreed with the updates as sent to the list.

Matthias will work on getting the wiki and moduleset updated.


Module inclusion
================

 + caribou (desktop)
   - replacement for gok, that is using corba
   - it's still at an early stage of development
   - some development will be funded by Andalucia in the next few months
   - the accessibility team is putting resources to improve caribou
   - some work will need to be done to properly integrate it in the
     overview mode of gnome-shell
   => approved, but we'll closely monitor the development so we can
      properly announce expectations to users
   => this means gok can be removed

 + clutter-core (desktop)
   - needed for gnome-shell and other some modules
   - it is still not hosted on the GNOME infrastructure
   - the copyright assignment is still required
   => rejected: we keep clutter-core as an external dependency until
      those issues get fixed
   => we'd like to see the issue around copyright assignment resolved
      as fast as possible

 + deja-dup (desktop)
   - GNOMEy application
   => no decision needed, should live in Applications

 + GNOME Activity Journal (desktop)
   - the original design idea is one we want to see happen during the
     GNOME 3 development.
   - needs more integration with the rest of the desktop and the overall
     GNOME design; right now, it feels too much like a standalone
     application.
   - the team might need to work a bit more closely with other GNOME
     teams for the integration.
   => rejected

 + gnome-shell (desktop)
   - good feedback in general
   - needs more frequent releases
   - we'd like to see a clear roadmap of what's going to be in 3.0, and
     what's going to be in 3.2
   - application integration in the shell: GtkApplication should enter
     GTK+ master next week
   => approved
   => we'll collect feedback from distributions to know what might block
      them to adopt it as default shell for GNOME; it's likely that
      it'll be drivers issues if it happens, though.

 + gnome-icon-theme-symbolic (desktop)
   - monochrome icons for osd and system status area
   => approved

 + gjs (desktop)
   - needed for gnome-shell
   - on seed vs gjs:
     - we don't feel we need to choose between the two now, although we
       believe that they need to be completely compatible in the long
       term if we want to keep both.
     - we encourage developers to keep working on gnome-js-common
   => approved, but with other bindings (not desktop)

 + mousetrap (desktop)
   - interesting accessibility tool
   - it might change quite a bit, especially with a potential merge with
     opengazer
   - might not be completely ready, but good work is going on
   => rejected for 3.0, but we encourage the mousetrap team to keep
      working on it, to see what can be done with opengazer and to
      propose it again for 3.2.

 + mutter (desktop)
   - needed for gnome-shell
   => approved

 + pdfmod (desktop)
   - GNOMEy application
   => no decision needed, should live in Applications

 + Rygel (desktop)
   - works well, and is a nice thing to have nowadays
   - UI will be merged with gnome-user-share at some point
   => approved

 + simple-scan (desktop)
   - GNOMEy application
   => no decision needed, should live in Applications

 + gnome-color-manager (desktop)
   - good integration
   => approved

 + gobject-introspection (bindings)
   - gir-repository is deprecated and gobject-introspection support
     should be moved to individual modules.
   - gobject-introspection is not going to be merged in glib right now.
   - it'd be useful to have a status update on where bindings stand with
     the use of introspection.
   => approved

 + json-glib (external dependency)
   - needed for clutter
   => not needed since clutter is not approved. If another module will
      need it for 3.0, this decision will get revisited.

 + libappindicator (external dependency)
   - it doesn't integrate with gnome-shell
   - probably depends on GtkApplication, and would need integration in
     GTK+ itself.
   - we wished there was some constructive discussion around it, pushed
     by the libappindicator developers; but it didn't happen.
   - there's nothing in GNOME needing it.
   => rejected for the reasons stated above

 + libsane (external dependency)
   - needed for simple-scan
   => not needed since simple-scan will be dealt as Applications.

 + opentts / speech-dispatcher (external dependency)
   - opentts development might fold back in speech dispatcher
   - we trust the choice of the accessibility team here
   - orca can already use speech-dispatcher
   => approved
   => we encourage the opentts team to work with the speech dispatcher
     people to avoid the fork if possible.
   => this means gnome-speech can be removed

 + telepathy-logger (external dependency)
   - will be used by all applications displaying messages from IM
   - especially useful for IM integration in GNOME Shell
   => approved

 + udev (external dependency)
   - it actually already is a dependency in various modules (cheese,
     NetworkManager, rhythmbox, etc.)
   - this is a linux-only dependency
   => approved
   => to help non-Linux platforms, we'll provide a portability matrix to
      list the modules where platform-specific work is needed

 + zeitgeist (external dependency)
   - needed for GNOME Activity Journal
   => not needed since GNOME Activity Journal is not approved. If
      another module will need it for 3.0, this decision will get
      revisited.


Open questions
==============

 + gnome-panel update:
   - the bonobo-less branch will be merged really soon

 + fallback when no 3d for gnome-shell: 
   - the plan is to make gnome-session detect that case and directly
     fallback on the legacy mode

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